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General Discussion / Re: ALL BRANDS
« on: July 11, 2021, 11:30:28 AM »
Thanks, appreciate your comments. J
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General Discussion / Re: Interesting Auction Items
« on: July 07, 2021, 08:44:24 AM »
I looked at all the black-painted-litho cars under a bright light.
Since the litho process has colors layered one at a time, I thought there should be a faint image of the details visible, but not so. Therefore, all I have to go on is visible color where there are scratches in the black. I could not detect any scratches or blems under the black. The tank car has the most wear and dirt, so makes that one more-difficult.
Tank car....I see evidence of red where diamond would be so it is a late Sunoco with diamond to the right.
Boxcar......maroon under black at roof edges, so a late Baby Ruth
2677 Gondola.... evidence of dark orange at edges
2717 gondola.....Orange/brown at edges
So all that proves is that all these cars were litho to start and the paint is thick-enough to hide any images underneath.
Also proves that a Lionel dealer could do a better job cleaning cars to prep for painting, than Ives did. No flaking of black is visible on the slick litho finish.
Since the litho process has colors layered one at a time, I thought there should be a faint image of the details visible, but not so. Therefore, all I have to go on is visible color where there are scratches in the black. I could not detect any scratches or blems under the black. The tank car has the most wear and dirt, so makes that one more-difficult.
Tank car....I see evidence of red where diamond would be so it is a late Sunoco with diamond to the right.
Boxcar......maroon under black at roof edges, so a late Baby Ruth
2677 Gondola.... evidence of dark orange at edges
2717 gondola.....Orange/brown at edges
So all that proves is that all these cars were litho to start and the paint is thick-enough to hide any images underneath.
Also proves that a Lionel dealer could do a better job cleaning cars to prep for painting, than Ives did. No flaking of black is visible on the slick litho finish.
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General Discussion / Re: We're burning up !!
« on: July 06, 2021, 06:16:29 AM »
Right, the Forum is no place for politics.
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General Discussion / Re: These the rare ones ?
« on: July 06, 2021, 05:00:46 AM »
Right, original finish is where the $$ is.
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General Discussion / Re: Interesting Auction Items
« on: July 06, 2021, 05:00:00 AM »
That makes sense why they would paint them. Is that in the Madison book? I don't have a copy, too $$.
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Collector Corner / Re: 1929 Lionel Standard Gauge Outfit 349
« on: July 05, 2021, 05:34:01 AM »
When we still lived in Illinois, I had a beautiful dark green set with a 380. During a convention, Doug Prendeville was visiting, and I let him talk me out of it. I have had a couple of 380 DG sets since, but not the same condition, so they were sold. I have never had a DG 9.
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Collector Corner / Re: 1929 Lionel Standard Gauge Outfit 349
« on: July 05, 2021, 05:29:25 AM »
The dark green sets with 428 series cars are killer! some of the best looking trains that Lionel made, especially with a No 9 on the point. Great shot with the 380 and 9 sets next to each other.
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Collector Corner / Re: American Flyer Wide Gauge Steam Locos.
« on: July 05, 2021, 05:26:43 AM »
I have a boxed Piper for sale, also am keeping one that is restored, because it was re-wheeled with cast iron drivers from a Lionel 42. With those wheels it has great traction and can pull a bunch of cars. The smaller cast iron Locos are also great pullers, as they are heavy. I always thought the AF wide gauge steamers looked more realistic than Lionel's 384 through 400E series.
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General Discussion / Re: Interesting Auction Items
« on: July 05, 2021, 05:16:20 AM »
It took quite a while to find the gunmetal 1684 and actually this one is an upgrade. My first had a broken marker light, so I sold it.
I have been collecting the Madison items for a while. I found my first car, a wood-frame floodlight car at York in a junk box in the late 1970's. I thought it was home-made, bought it for the light. Luckily I kept the frame, and years later when I discovered what it was, I re-assembled it. I have mostly floodlights and flatcars, the dump, crane and tank are harder, plus the few odd-balls like the 2717 gondola. I have never seen a caboose. Also, still not sure why they painted litho bodies flat black, unless it was to keep the mood drab due to the war.
I was lucky to have been to Madison twice in the 1980's, had a good time with Lou or Carl, do not remember which one. We bought him a coffee then played... "I bet you don't have this part". I think they won every round, and I came back with some tuff parts like a pilot for an 00 Hudson and a Blue Streak vestibule.
I have been collecting the Madison items for a while. I found my first car, a wood-frame floodlight car at York in a junk box in the late 1970's. I thought it was home-made, bought it for the light. Luckily I kept the frame, and years later when I discovered what it was, I re-assembled it. I have mostly floodlights and flatcars, the dump, crane and tank are harder, plus the few odd-balls like the 2717 gondola. I have never seen a caboose. Also, still not sure why they painted litho bodies flat black, unless it was to keep the mood drab due to the war.
I was lucky to have been to Madison twice in the 1980's, had a good time with Lou or Carl, do not remember which one. We bought him a coffee then played... "I bet you don't have this part". I think they won every round, and I came back with some tuff parts like a pilot for an 00 Hudson and a Blue Streak vestibule.
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General Discussion / Re: Interesting Auction Items
« on: July 04, 2021, 05:00:30 AM »
The 1910 Playthings pix is a great piece of history. Is it the same guy with the glass negatives?
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General Discussion / Re: Interesting Auction Items
« on: July 04, 2021, 04:57:30 AM »
Very cool set, and a natural that it would be found in Texas. I have seen AF cars with advertising on the roofs.
I also noted that another featured auction on this page has a Lionel O gauge set with green 2640 type cars and includes 2 of the flat black Madison Hardware freights.
I just published a video on Madison Wartime production, for those interested.
I also noted that another featured auction on this page has a Lionel O gauge set with green 2640 type cars and includes 2 of the flat black Madison Hardware freights.
I just published a video on Madison Wartime production, for those interested.
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Layouts / Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
« on: July 02, 2021, 11:38:31 AM »
Did you put lights under for the O Gauge layout?
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General Discussion / Re: Interesting Auction Items
« on: July 02, 2021, 11:35:31 AM »
I'd be careful, he is only a 2 feedback.
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Layouts / Re: Jim's Layout
« on: July 01, 2021, 05:03:53 AM »
It only took me near 50 years to get to this point.
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General Discussion / Re: ALL BRANDS
« on: July 01, 2021, 05:02:18 AM »
The battery bottle lights I mentioned probably would not work for your light tower, but would work for interior of buildings.
To minimize wiring on the surface, you can run wires under the benchwork to a central building or even a landscaped mound or hill. Then run thin phone wire on the surface to light poles and accessories. The thin wire will be OK as long as only 1 accessory or light is on it. Your under-bench wires would have to be a heavier gauge to handle the load without heating up. The thin surface wires can be disguised with landscaping material, paint/lichen/fish-tank gravel etc. It is best to have your accessories on a separate transformer, so they work independent of your trains and to spread the power load.
To minimize wiring on the surface, you can run wires under the benchwork to a central building or even a landscaped mound or hill. Then run thin phone wire on the surface to light poles and accessories. The thin wire will be OK as long as only 1 accessory or light is on it. Your under-bench wires would have to be a heavier gauge to handle the load without heating up. The thin surface wires can be disguised with landscaping material, paint/lichen/fish-tank gravel etc. It is best to have your accessories on a separate transformer, so they work independent of your trains and to spread the power load.