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General Discussion / Re: Next O Gauge train project
« on: July 11, 2021, 11:37:49 AM »
The weight pulls open the couplers. Try the car at the back of the train.
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General Discussion / Re: Interesting Auction Items
« on: July 09, 2021, 10:27:00 PM »
That's a power supply. You measure the power by the heat given off when the acid burns a hole through the floor.
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General Discussion / Re: Interesting Auction Items
« on: July 09, 2021, 07:36:02 PM »
Here's another photo of early Lionel trains from that archive:
I bet you could date this photo based on the 2 7/8ths gondola being metal and a dummy. 1903 to 1905. Probably 1904-05 because of the color.
The Clark Hillclimber Car is nice. There's some cool toys in the picture.
Here's the auction:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/114879683569
I bet you could date this photo based on the 2 7/8ths gondola being metal and a dummy. 1903 to 1905. Probably 1904-05 because of the color.
The Clark Hillclimber Car is nice. There's some cool toys in the picture.
Here's the auction:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/114879683569
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General Discussion / Re: Next O Gauge train project
« on: July 09, 2021, 07:28:53 PM »
They ain't no good if they ain't loaded.
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General Discussion / Re: Next O Gauge train project
« on: July 09, 2021, 04:43:17 PM »
The turrets always aim at the caboose so the loco is not damaged if the cannon is accidentally fired. The caboose is much cheaper than the loco.
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General Discussion / Re: Next O Gauge train project
« on: July 09, 2021, 12:03:37 PM »
I think you get chain from Micheal's or Hobby Lobby.
Looks good.
Looks good.
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General Discussion / Re: Interesting Auction Items
« on: July 07, 2021, 11:48:20 AM »
Hmmm.
I sold all mine so I can't look at them.
We'll leave my statement as an unproved assumption then.
I sold all mine so I can't look at them.
We'll leave my statement as an unproved assumption then.
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General Discussion / Re: Interesting Auction Items
« on: July 06, 2021, 02:34:01 PM »
I don't have that book either. Look at your tank cars under a bright light and you can see scratches in the litho.
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General Discussion / Re: We're burning up !!
« on: July 05, 2021, 07:03:05 PM »
Mike, you need to worry about the boxes not the trains. Here in AZ the boxes just fall apart. I've pulled boxes from attic crawl spaces that were so dried out they crumbled at a touch.
The corrugated boxes de-laminate. Labels fall off. The boxes and paper give off cellulose gas that reacts to bare metal, zinc plated metal, and to some paints and inks. (I commonly find nice boxed postwar Lionel locos with green scum on the valve rods. There are many Hot Wheels cars brand new in the blister pack with damaged frames and graphics from the outgassing of the cardboard.)
I have 4 prewar Madison cars that were LNOB when I got them in 1996. The cars got ruined because they were wrapped in the white foam used to pack apples and something ATE into the paint. The boxes were complete with all flaps, but now the flaps are just falling off.
After seeing the Madison car boxes last spring, I sold a bunch of the boxes I had and kept the trains. God knows what is happening inside the file box of old catalogs. Those might be in a plastic box. Does that make it worse or better?
Think about this. . . I packed my trains up and moved them from one air-conditioned room to another. I packed them in Feb/March of 2019. All the early period trains were unpacked by April 2019. I'm still unpacking the trains that go on the layouts now in June 2021. The newsprint is dried out and easily tears. The older paper in boxes packed 2-3 years ago is falling apart.
I tried years ago to get an archivist to do an interview with me years ago about preserving these old toys, but couldn't find anyone.
The corrugated boxes de-laminate. Labels fall off. The boxes and paper give off cellulose gas that reacts to bare metal, zinc plated metal, and to some paints and inks. (I commonly find nice boxed postwar Lionel locos with green scum on the valve rods. There are many Hot Wheels cars brand new in the blister pack with damaged frames and graphics from the outgassing of the cardboard.)
I have 4 prewar Madison cars that were LNOB when I got them in 1996. The cars got ruined because they were wrapped in the white foam used to pack apples and something ATE into the paint. The boxes were complete with all flaps, but now the flaps are just falling off.
After seeing the Madison car boxes last spring, I sold a bunch of the boxes I had and kept the trains. God knows what is happening inside the file box of old catalogs. Those might be in a plastic box. Does that make it worse or better?
Think about this. . . I packed my trains up and moved them from one air-conditioned room to another. I packed them in Feb/March of 2019. All the early period trains were unpacked by April 2019. I'm still unpacking the trains that go on the layouts now in June 2021. The newsprint is dried out and easily tears. The older paper in boxes packed 2-3 years ago is falling apart.
I tried years ago to get an archivist to do an interview with me years ago about preserving these old toys, but couldn't find anyone.
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General Discussion / Re: These the rare ones ?
« on: July 05, 2021, 06:35:12 PM »
Green is the common color. Yellow is rarer, but that one is beat up. A repainted one is cheap regardless of the color because paint is cheap.
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General Discussion / Re: We're burning up !!
« on: July 05, 2021, 01:32:31 PM »
I've been watching and participating in this thread. I'm torn between allowing the members enough room to get to know each other and the point where it's too far away from the topic of toy trains.
With the dog posts people don't get upset.
With the weather people don't get upset.
With politics people get upset.
People screaming and throwing food might be a normal holiday dinner in my family, but I really want to avoid that here.
I don't know where the line is, but in this thread is close to the line.
Let's keep it about trains.
With the dog posts people don't get upset.
With the weather people don't get upset.
With politics people get upset.
People screaming and throwing food might be a normal holiday dinner in my family, but I really want to avoid that here.
I don't know where the line is, but in this thread is close to the line.
Let's keep it about trains.
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Collector Corner / Re: 1929 Lionel Standard Gauge Outfit 349
« on: July 05, 2021, 12:56:10 PM »
I like these cars too. The big trains have to be in great condition. I bought a roundhouse section cheap, but ended up selling it because it looked bad on the layout.
I had the orange 9 set, but the car roofs were repainted so I sold it. I'd love to have one for the layout, but I would rather spend the train money on early trains.
The dark green cars are different in a few ways. (I'll edit this thread to move this information into the first post.)
I showed the different observation platforms. The seats are different. The early cars have mohave seats, the later orange window cars have apple green seats.
Here's a view inside:
The later car has an extra bulb socket from an American Flyer set. We talked about that elsewhere on the forum.
Here's a third difference with the cars:
The later cars have an added embossed ring at the top of the end on either side of the door.
I had the orange 9 set, but the car roofs were repainted so I sold it. I'd love to have one for the layout, but I would rather spend the train money on early trains.
The dark green cars are different in a few ways. (I'll edit this thread to move this information into the first post.)
I showed the different observation platforms. The seats are different. The early cars have mohave seats, the later orange window cars have apple green seats.
Here's a view inside:
The later car has an extra bulb socket from an American Flyer set. We talked about that elsewhere on the forum.
Here's a third difference with the cars:
The later cars have an added embossed ring at the top of the end on either side of the door.
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General Discussion / Re: Interesting Auction Items
« on: July 05, 2021, 12:26:17 PM »
From looking at the ones I had, I thought they were painted black because they litho was scratched or damaged. They were making the cars with defective cars they bought by the pound to strip for parts. The wood bases on the tank and boxcar allowed them to use the metal bases for other cars.
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Collector Corner / American Flyer Wide Gauge Steam Locos.
« on: July 04, 2021, 10:09:23 PM »
I've been playing with the video camera and doing some simple things so I can learn the editing software. I just rewheeled and serviced the cast iron 4670 loco and decided to do a video showing the different types of valve gear.
The earliest valve gear was a simple straight valve rod. The picture below shows the loco I rewheeled. I should have bought the other rods and done the who set up.
The picture above shows the smaller ex-IVES cast iron body. This simple set up was also used on the diecast steamers like the 4692 below with the triangular valve gear:
The most deluxe FIVE PIPER locos had lots of added trim and usually had Walschaert valve gear. The rods are much more involved. Here's a 4694 deluxe loco:
Here's a video showing the 3 locos running:
Two notes. . . I don't have the correct tender for the cast iron loco. The five piper loco shown above is brown without a green stripe. Usually these are painted the same way as the 4692 loco shown.
The earliest valve gear was a simple straight valve rod. The picture below shows the loco I rewheeled. I should have bought the other rods and done the who set up.
The picture above shows the smaller ex-IVES cast iron body. This simple set up was also used on the diecast steamers like the 4692 below with the triangular valve gear:
The most deluxe FIVE PIPER locos had lots of added trim and usually had Walschaert valve gear. The rods are much more involved. Here's a 4694 deluxe loco:
Here's a video showing the 3 locos running:
Two notes. . . I don't have the correct tender for the cast iron loco. The five piper loco shown above is brown without a green stripe. Usually these are painted the same way as the 4692 loco shown.
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Collector Corner / 1929 Lionel Standard Gauge Outfit 349
« on: July 04, 2021, 05:59:55 PM »
In 1929 Lionel cataloged the 428/429/430 passenger cars with the 9 and 9E in orange. The loco is common, but the orange cars are quite difficult to find.
Not shown in the catalog was a dark green version that only comes with a hand reverse. The dark green cars that come with the 9 have orange windows rather than the maroon windows seen with 380 and 380E sets made in 1926-28. In this case the loco is rarer than the cars. Some collectors think the orange window cars came only with the 9 sets, but there are lots more sets of orange window cars than locos.
I bought this set from the original owner's grandson a few years back. While I don't collect the trains from the late 1920s anymore, this is a set my dad and I never had so I kept it to run on the layout. I rewheeled it using the black wheels Lionel made in the early postwar period, and it runs great.
Here's some photos of the set with the 380 set:
Note that the earlier observation has a different platform without the celluloid insert and marker lights.
The loco:
The 9 loco does not have an added weight, but the 380 loco does. You can see the weight in this photo:
Here's the boxes for the 9 Set. None of the boxes have dates.
Added information from thread below. . .
The dark green cars are different in a few ways other than the windows.
I showed the different observation platforms. The seats are different. The early cars have mohave seats, the later orange window cars have apple green seats.
Here's a view inside:
The later car has an extra bulb socket from an American Flyer car lighting set. We talked about that elsewhere on the forum.
Here's a third difference with the cars:
The earlier cars have an added embossed ring at the top of the end on either side of the door. All three cars have these rings. I'm not all the maroon window cars have this embossing. It might just be some cars, and I have the rarer version? If you have a set of cars without the embossed rings at the top, let us know and I'll update this section.
This set runs really well. I'll get the 380E set running and do a page for it.
Here's another 9 set with an Orange door 429 combine:
See down in the thread for information about this set.
Not shown in the catalog was a dark green version that only comes with a hand reverse. The dark green cars that come with the 9 have orange windows rather than the maroon windows seen with 380 and 380E sets made in 1926-28. In this case the loco is rarer than the cars. Some collectors think the orange window cars came only with the 9 sets, but there are lots more sets of orange window cars than locos.
I bought this set from the original owner's grandson a few years back. While I don't collect the trains from the late 1920s anymore, this is a set my dad and I never had so I kept it to run on the layout. I rewheeled it using the black wheels Lionel made in the early postwar period, and it runs great.
Here's some photos of the set with the 380 set:
Note that the earlier observation has a different platform without the celluloid insert and marker lights.
The loco:
The 9 loco does not have an added weight, but the 380 loco does. You can see the weight in this photo:
Here's the boxes for the 9 Set. None of the boxes have dates.
Added information from thread below. . .
The dark green cars are different in a few ways other than the windows.
I showed the different observation platforms. The seats are different. The early cars have mohave seats, the later orange window cars have apple green seats.
Here's a view inside:
The later car has an extra bulb socket from an American Flyer car lighting set. We talked about that elsewhere on the forum.
Here's a third difference with the cars:
The earlier cars have an added embossed ring at the top of the end on either side of the door. All three cars have these rings. I'm not all the maroon window cars have this embossing. It might just be some cars, and I have the rarer version? If you have a set of cars without the embossed rings at the top, let us know and I'll update this section.
This set runs really well. I'll get the 380E set running and do a page for it.
Here's another 9 set with an Orange door 429 combine:
See down in the thread for information about this set.