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Title: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on February 14, 2021, 11:31:47 PM
You all keep asking me what the white posts on the O gauge layout are for. The standard gauge goes up there.

The goal with the standard gauge layout is to showcase the neat Lionel trains and accessories from the classic period. Basically  the brass trim items from 1924-1935, but I do have a few later nickel trim trains and accessories. 

The layout will be tiered with a pair of wide radius ovals around the outside with parking sidings on the long faces, and then about 3.5" higher two smaller layouts with a river separating them.

You can see the wide radius curves in the lower photos. That's 72 and 84 inch diameter track with a 72 inch MTH switch.

The smaller layout closer to the stairs will have the Lionel Plots and 922 scenic park along with a big station and stuff.

The farther smaller layout will have more industrial stuff like the roundhouse and power station.

All the wood is cut, drilled and painted before going downstairs which adds a lot of time. The wood that is currently up is the used wood from my dad's layouts. A lot of it is warped and twisted and can't be used in long spans so I cut it up for a shorter spans.

Here's some pictures:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here's some of the lights and such for the layout with the 3 sections of the 920 scenic parks below:
 


Here's a shot of the work in the garage. That's new lumber i bought today for the longer runs. That will do the raised yard and industrial area.

 


I should have the layout decked by the end of the month.

I don't know what I'm looking forward to more. Either getting the boxes of trains that are piled up everywhere emptied, or running the big trains.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: pjdog350 on February 15, 2021, 03:51:41 AM
I would have allot of trouble covering up that beautiful O gauge layout. But you are a great planner with all your train activity. I know what you are doing is going to be top level stuff. The folks I’ve met on this forum really are impressive. Looking forward to seeing it come together.

Thanks for sharing your progress.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: starfire700 on February 15, 2021, 05:04:15 AM
Agreed about covering up the O gauge layout.
Terry, is there a way you can design your track plan for standard so at least some areas are on an open grid of supports, so the layout below is more visible, especially at edges and corners?
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on February 15, 2021, 01:09:15 PM
It's high enough that you can see everything. I also like the idea of making people work to see everything. I have planes and a blimp to hang from the wood to block sight angles.

On Miles Butler's layout, I spent years adding small details like moving clowns and working windmills. Miles would walk people in the door, start the trains running and then walk them around pointing out each detail. I used to joke with himthat we'd hang arrows from the ceiling to point at interesting things.

This is Miles' layout:

https://train99.com/layouts/miles-butlers-dream-high-rail-layout/

Looking at the pictures of Miles' layout reminds me how much I learned on that. We spent months figuring out how to do great lighting for night scenes. I spent 2 or 3 nights a week over there for 8 years.

Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: starfire700 on February 16, 2021, 04:56:05 AM
Some great landscaping, level transitions and especially like the engine yard, TT and roundhouse.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on February 16, 2021, 12:41:26 PM
Miles had me helping him because he'd broken both knees in WW2 and 50 years later he just couldn't walk anymore.  He used an electric scooter.

The roundhouse is one huge building - it had a full interior that wasn't visible - on a sheet of plywood that fit into a cut out on the layout.  Miles built it from a Buildings Unlimited kit and some extensions on a table in the workshop next door. Then we used the scooter to bring  it in because it was too heavy to safely carry and shift through the doors. It was a full four hours to put that one building on the layout.

The turntable was by Diamond Scale and had a Bowser indexing kit. You turned a rotating selector to the track you wanted, selected the direction of travel, and pushed start. It would grind it's way around to the right track and stop.

 
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: pjdog350 on February 17, 2021, 05:57:41 AM
That’s real impressive. You must have been real happy to work on such a layout!
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on February 22, 2021, 03:44:03 AM
Here's this weekend's progress on the standard layout. I ripped wood with the table saw and then painted it on Saturday so it doesn't look like much happened, but on Sunday I put all the sticks in.

 


The two sides of the layout are divided by a river. The river will run at the lower level with the two hellgates on the raised level.

 


The front edge of the layout will have two thru tracks and a long passing siding I can park a long freight on. Should be 16-18 feet of straight siding there.

 


I decided to add a siding along the west edge so I can park a work train on it. This will be the only parking siding with a bumper.

 


Here's a view from where the hinged bridge will be into the control area. The two lower loops go over the hinged bridge and along the wall where the TV and tools are now.

 


I need to add some cross braces in areas where I will be climbing up when trains derail. Then I can put the sheeting on. 
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: pjdog350 on February 22, 2021, 04:05:15 AM
Thanks for the update. Looks like a real professional job. Still hate to see the o gauge get covered!
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: pjdog350 on February 28, 2021, 03:51:14 AM
How is the Standard gauge addition coming along Terry?
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on February 28, 2021, 11:02:58 AM
Here's some progress pictures. I'm trying to figure out a guardrail system. I'm afraid that if a 402 or a 400E drops the cars and flys off it could hurt the dog or break the window. I ran a 402 off a layout once and it punched a big hole in the drywall. The blue loco is a 402 from about 1924.

I was thinking of cutting plexiglass into strips, but found I can buy tempered glass shelves for $2-3 a foot. The corner areas on the upper levels will ahve dowels like the little fences shown.

Here's a shot from the stairs. Cardboard sheet is about what a glass sheet would be.

 



Long sidings against south wall. The track in the air will get a hinge up bridge.

 

 


Longs sidings from other end.

 


The front face with the Hellsgate. Three tracks in front with the rear being either one or two sidings. The 72" curve switches take a long run to make a siding so I don't know if I can park a train on the shorter siding. The MTH 72" switches require the cutting of the rails and repositioning of the ties.

 


Here's the west end. The east end has the upper curve as a 90 degree curve. Here I'm doing two 45 degree curves with a straight section between them. Makes it a little different.

 


I put away all the tools and cleaned up. Then I put the couch whre it goes. Sitting on the couch you get a great view of the front of the O gauge layout. With the handheld I can run the trains from the couch.

 

 


I bought wire the other day. I wanted 16 gauge stranded, and the Lowes website said they had it. They didn't have it, and ordering it online to pay with cash at the store was a hassle so the manager sold me 14 gauge for $12 off a roll.

When I got home it turned out I'd been usunbg 14 gauge wire all along!







Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: pjdog350 on February 28, 2021, 11:39:54 AM
Looks good Terry. I’m real happy to see the view of the O Gauge from the couch.

Your track all looks new. SO does the O gauge track. You must have come into lots of cash for that!

Looking forward to a video of the standard gauge in action!  you do real good work!
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on March 02, 2021, 11:43:22 PM
The track looks new because it is. The O gauge came with a large hoard my dad bought in the 1990s. Many Dealer cartons of O gauge track with different curves.

The standard gauge track was made by Richie Bimmer of Antique Trains in NJ.  My dad was a stocking distributer in the early 1990s and I have a few cases of it still unopened. That's in 42" and 72" circles. Plus the straights with widely spaced ties. The 84" circles are MTH. They sell on ebay for $250-300 a circle. I bought a circle from Walthers for $120 postpaid last spring.

I think I found some more of the xtra tie straights. I was going to cut wooden ties or move ties from one section to another to add them, but if I can buy the sections and then sell the wide ties to recoup most of my money that will be easier.

Tonight I ran some wire and spent some time looking at the control area. I'm going to run buss wires under the layout for each center rail, and then pull from them with relays to energize the track sections. Each circle of track gets it's own buss wire. This way, I have a relay for each block that I can also use to work the signals.

Tomorrow I'll build the control panel and paint it.

I also spent some time pushing trains back and forth to see if they'll hit. Here's some pictures of that. I didn't dust the trains when I packed them so some have dust on them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Hey look! There is already a slot on the loco for a coupler.

 

 

Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: pjdog350 on March 03, 2021, 09:45:37 AM
You do impressive work Terry. Looking forward to some Standard gauge videos.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: CNJRR on March 07, 2021, 01:15:54 PM
Looks like it will be fun to wire in the top level?
Do you plan on adding a lot of items on top that will need to be wired in?
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on March 08, 2021, 01:18:05 PM
I'm running wire harnesses now. Then to hook up something I only have to poke wires through the layout and tap into the feeders. 

 

 


I can kneel 4 feet in under the layout and reach another 2 feet. I am using scotchlock type connectors that just need to be squeezed to make connection. (The generic scotchlock connectors are harder plastic and work better. The 3M ones sometimes twist when you squeeze them shut.)

I made the control panel yesterday and it is in the garage waiting for a second coat of paint.

While the panel dries I have to put these Christmas light strings on so they light the underside.

 


The white LED strings run on 9 volts so I can just use an ho transformer with the voltage fixed. The blue lights should be good for night time appearance. They are 110V so need special treatment.


 
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on March 10, 2021, 01:30:17 PM
Here's what I got done this week.

All the wiring is done except for a few connections on the back of the panel board and sizing the wires that connect to the transformer.

I need to rewire the 1121-C prewar 027 switch controllers so they will operate the standard gauge switches. Also I need to make up the relays with terminal strips on my work desk so I can connect them quickly.

 


 


The blue Christmas lights make for a night time scene. 

 


The back of the control panel:

 


Wirng diagram:

 


Front of control panel:

 


With transformers:

 


And a picture of my helper:

 

Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: pjdog350 on March 10, 2021, 03:56:46 PM
I love Z transformers. They look so strong. In the early 1990’s I had a friend that had a very big O gauge layout in his attic. He had ZW’s but still needed more power. I got a pile on old Lionel parts. In that where many Z & ZW’s in many parts. I pu a Z transformer In a ZW case for him. Work out very well for him.

Looks like you making lots of progress. I like your helper. I also have a helper. Benjamin. He is a super smart dog. A Sheltie.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on March 14, 2021, 12:58:26 AM
As a buyer of trains to resell I hate V and Z transformers. They are more work to repair, and worth so much less than a KW or ZW. To run trains or just for lighting accessories, they cannot be beat.

I got all the decking down except two small areas. For the small one on the lower level I had a scrap that fit, but it wasn't painted so it's in the garage drying. I want to avoid doing visible seams as much as posible on the decking so I'll get a 4 by 4 sheet for the bigger hole. I have sonme put aside for the smaller layouts, but will have to go get it on Monday.

Next is the soundboard and the transitions between the lower level and the mid level. That's the 4 inches you see in these pictures. Mostly that will be easy, but I have a curve that slopes in one corner. Like a section cut out of a funnel.

Here's some photos:

 

 

 


The color is from the lights and the chipboard.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on March 14, 2021, 11:22:56 PM
I got the soundboard on today and cut the wood for the transitions.

 


Here's a straight transition:

 


I wasted an hour trying to make those angled sections from 2x6" scraps. The table saw would stall and blow the breaker every 4-6 inches. I started getting frustrated, and it's never good to be frustrated around a table saw so I used 1X6 wood instead.

 


I have one rounded corner. I cut a bunch of strips from the 2X6" wood that I did manage to rip.  I should be able to glue them in pace so they make a circle and then either coat with sandable plaster or use a section of thin metal flashing over. If I can't figure it out I'll mae the corner exposed rock.

Here's a strip of carpet on the straight transition by the walk under bridge to give you an idea:

 


Here's a shot of the Schoenhut town with the blue lights and no other room lights:

 


Same shot without the blue lights under the standard layout:

 


The blue adds a lot of clarity to the night scene.

Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: pjdog350 on March 15, 2021, 05:00:14 AM
The first picture you posted in the above post really show’s off how large the room & layout are. I’m so jealous that you have all that room. I like the blue lighting also. Makes the O gauge layout show up much better. Still kills me that the O gauge is covered up.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: starfire700 on March 16, 2021, 05:07:33 AM
Night shots with lighted accessories makes it look like a completely different layout.
Also running lighted passenger cars with the car lights reflecting can produce a nice effect.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: starfire700 on March 16, 2021, 05:21:14 AM
Regarding V and Z transformers, I have found them usually quite reliable and since they have a higher output voltage range, they are a necessity for running older Standard gauge and AF wide-gauge steamers, also prewar Hudsons perform better with a Z. I was unable to run a fully-lighted Railchief set with my ZW, but no problem with the Z. The down-side is the lack of reverse and whistle features. This makes them less desirable and sometimes hard to sell. The ZW will always be the most popular postwar transformer because of its features and its "sexy" throttles.
I am having a problem with a V. It was rebuilt long ago, I think by Ken Koehler when we were in the Chicago area. It must have a faulty/wear circuit-breaker, because after a few minutes running a single train or even just for lighting, the red CB light starts flashing and the output pulses, eventually trips-off. I have worked on ZW's but not the V or Z types, so it will be a new experience figuring this out. I am hoping I can just replace the CB. Too bad that Ken K, Mr ZW, is not still around.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: pjdog350 on March 23, 2021, 02:16:16 PM
Own is the standard gauge coming along?
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on March 28, 2021, 07:40:02 PM
I've been busy around the hosue trying to get outdoor chores done before the 100+ weather hits.

I did get down today to figure out the fence. Here's some photos:

I had the angles in for the difference in levels before. I need to sand all that as the mastic for the carpet won't stick to painted wood.

 

 


Here's the fence with one rod:

 


With a second rod held in place:

 


I might do three rods because the small dowels are cheap and it's quick to drill the holes.

The hard work is drilling the holes square in the layout. I made a jig for that:

 


 


Here's the jig for drilling holes in dowels. For the second hole I'll just move the brown stop and put a pin in to put the upper hole in so the holes are aligned.

 


I'm still not decided on the treatment for the river. Vertical sides with a stone pattern would be easiest. I have a few more weeks of things to do before I lay the carpet so I can decide later.

Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on April 04, 2021, 04:14:08 PM
I decided to put one vertical cliff and one sloped side on the river and add a small stream on the industrial side so I can use the bridges. I cut away the Celotex so the stream is recessed.

Joann's Fabrics sells felt by the yard so I bought some light blue felt. I also bought a bunch of cheap 4 ounce bottles of acrylic paint so I can stipple the felt to get a less uniform look. They sell all kinds of craft items and were more helpful than Micheal's. Much closer too!

When I put the green carpet down, I'll cut through the carpet and the felt to make a nice edge. Then I'll blot some thick colors around the seams to hide them.

Here's pictures:

 

 

 

 

 



On the west side by the turntable the transition will be a stone wall rather than a slope so I have room for the work train on a siding. Rather than do the pole fence, I'm going to do a board fence. Here's the holes for the posts.


That was the last of the drilling and sanding. I'll start cleaning the lower O gauge layout, and putting the side trim on the standard layout. The trim has to go on so I can see how the edges of the carpet will look with the glass.

One other thing I looked at was a Department 56 Operating Skating rink. I got it years ago with some trains and never took it out of the box. I finally looked at it and decided it was not the look I want for the layout.

Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: pjdog350 on April 04, 2021, 05:15:58 PM
I like your spot lights & the stand.

Layout is coming along very well. Wish the O gauge was in the picture! That’s just me. I really liked the O gauge but  I’ll clam up!
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on April 04, 2021, 06:13:44 PM
The lights are 50 cent LED spotlight bulbs - plastic cases, don't get hot or break - in an old photo light holder. I have a second holder, but only the one tripod. I'm thinking about adding a strip of track lights to the garage ceiling with those bulbs so I can see better.

The o gauge should be up and running again this week. Now that all the big cutting is done, I can vacuum up the mess and put the trains back on.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: starfire700 on April 05, 2021, 05:02:26 AM
You are making some incredible progress, can't wait to see more as it develops.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: pjdog350 on April 05, 2021, 05:18:45 AM
I’m sure when you get the project done they both will be super nice. You do have allot of talent. Looking forward you movies when your able.

I don’t know anything about standard gauge. I do remember when I was a little kid in New Jersey I was in the hospital for a long time. A guy came in and put a standard gauge around the Christmas tree. My bed was in line of site of the tree & train. I was in love with that big train. It was green and big.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: starfire700 on April 06, 2021, 04:21:21 AM
Green and big.........maybe a State Set!
In the mid 1970's my wife worked in a small metal-stamping shop. They would eventually produce our tin litho trains when we licensed the Marx name, but that is a different story.
The owner told Debby, when he learned of our involvement in trains, that his Dad had a large green train with STATE names on the passenger cars stored in a loft at the shop.
When she showed obvious interest, he said that just a few months before they had thrown it in the trash and "why was it worth anything???"
I forget what the 1974 value of a green State set was, but it was enough to make him realize what a dumb thing he had done. That may be why he went on to keep at least one production sample and 1 uncut sheet of litho for every item that Marx Trains produced.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: pjdog350 on April 06, 2021, 05:26:01 AM
The floor in the hospital was concrete or marble something hard a shiny. As this big green Lionel train with passenger cars went around the tree the track would slide. This caused it to come apart. The guy trying to set it up for all the kids was getting frustrated. He kept doing something to hold the track together but was not doing well. Finally another guy showed up and they got it to work. I think the second guy just slowed the train down? Not sure. But the bad side was all the kids came back from the Christmas party then I could not see anymore cause all the kids where blocking my view. I kept telling the nurse but didn’t help.

I was confined to bed so I didn’t get to go to the party which was fine I wanted to see the train. I remember it yesterday. That was 1947! I remember the ward I was in with lots of other kids and I remember one nurse. She seemed to always be looking after me. Every time I looked up there she was.

Funny the things that stick in you memory. I can still remember my grandmother phone number! A light bulb just came on. The nurse. She lived down the street from my grandmother. She had a big Collie dog that was beautiful.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on April 07, 2021, 05:19:47 PM
Green and big is a 10 set. I ran trains at the local childrens hospital for years. I took a 671 turbine and a 2046 steamer and cheap cars. I put two circles on the floor along with two RW transformers and then let the kids play with the trains. in at least trips I only had one thing damaged, and that was a doctor who turned the transformer knob the wrong way.

Here's the latest on the layout. The carpet is there and resting. My Work week starts tonight so I'll glue it down on Saturday evening. Then It should be cool enough to open the windows and blow the stench out.

 


When I bought the blue felt, I also got some gray for the roadbed.  I don't like the way it looks. It's too thin and doesn't lay flat.

 

 
 

On the layout I did 30 years ago, I used gray carpet, but that is not available anymore. I'll try using spray starch and an warm iron to make the felt lay flat. Also might be able to use a spray adhesive?

Here's the area for the 00 layout:

 


I can do a 7 by 13 feet with a 30-36" aisle all the way around. I need to get the standard gauge up so I can empty those boxes to make room.

And over in this area, I'll do a Marklin Ho layout with a Lionel tinplate layout underneath so I have a place to put my 130 tunnel. That's 46 inches by just over 10 feet.

 


Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on April 08, 2021, 01:12:24 AM
I finished my work early tonight so I played with the 3rd level. This is a 46 inch wide oval that will sit above the control panel with the 140 tunnel and the big 840 power station.

Here's the layout:

 


It goes above the control panel on the supports you see here and comes out to about the red mark by the yardstick:

 


I was trying to figure out if I can cut the corner off, but I'll have to put the track down on the middle level to see how everything fits.

I don't need a lot of clearance because I'll just run the coal train around it and put some hoppers on the siding.  I might put the 442 weighing scale up there, but right now I plan on putting the scale in the industrial area.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on April 12, 2021, 01:52:34 AM
I got some major progress this weekend. All the carpet is down except for the little areas around the wood blocks under the hellgates. Those blocks are cut and painted so that will be done. I started putting track out where it goes but not near the river area which needs painting.

Here's some pictures:

 

 

 

 


I  painted the trim wood a week ago and cut it and put it in today except around the hinged bridge. I out strips of plywood along the layout so the trim sits out 1/4 inch. The carpet tucks down into the groove, and then a 3/16" sheet of glass goes in to keep the trains on the layout.

The glass is tempered display shelves and costs about 2.50 a foot, but is cheaper than plexiglass and requires no cutting.
 


I'm not happy with the seam between teh grass and the river so I played with painting scraps in the garage. The first is just black spray paint along the seam, second is brown.
 

 


This has the blue felt and the green painted with a brush.
 


 I like the spray paint better. I'll try lightly misting the blue felt with some white, gray and different shades of blue and then spraying the edge with brown and black.

Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: starfire700 on April 20, 2021, 05:41:38 AM
I like the idea of a leg that goes along the wall to expand the layout, yet still allow access. I did that with my previous layout, the Hole in the Wall Railway. I wish I had room to do that with my current layout. The Hole in the Wall went between 3 basement rooms through holes in the walls, also had several places where the standard gauge loop departed the main benchwork and followed the wall, as yours does a few pictures previous. I have attached a link to my first youtube video, about 6 years ago, shows the Hole in Wall Ry and the shelf parts of the line. In one spot it went along some windows that looked out into a greenhouse room where we wintered our tropical plants.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0-xzHebA8k&t=78s
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: pjdog350 on April 20, 2021, 06:03:45 AM
Holy cow Jim. What a layout. I like it. It must have taken you months to pack all that up to go to the new location. The expense must have been big for material to pack it all.

are the people in the movie you friends or family? Did they help you with the move.

Can I come live with you. I will NOT touch anything and I’ll clean the layout for you. Track cleaning and such. This makes me realize there must be billions of O gauge trains out there for you to have so much and yet there’s still some for us!

More O gauge hole in the wall movies. I hope you have some more to share with us!

A big thanks!
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on April 20, 2021, 09:45:53 AM
I like the frontage on the layout. The more areas you can stand at are better.

Jim -- I hope my trains run that well.

I've been so frustrated with the layout progress. Either the dog is messing with me or I have ghosts down there. Tools just disappear. Some one hid the drill from me and I spent an hour looking for it. Yesterday I spent 20 minutes looking for the hook-blade knife, then just hacked off the carpet with a straight razor. I measure and then go upstairs to cut wood outside and then come back and it's too short. Or it's too long.

I have cases of track, but no 42" curve track. I unpacked a bunch of accessories just to get boxes emptied. I "borrowed" some from a friend. 

Saturday afternoon, I put the upper level together where I'm going to use the 1930s Lionel rubber roadbed. I could only find straight roadbed. $*&^*% I'll just run it to make sure it clears the 140 tunnel.

I have a repainted 8 with a great looking motor for testing. The repro wheels are warped. The black 318 has worse original wheels. The ghost or dog hid the mohave 318. Those are the only small locos I have. Everything else I have is bigger.

I have bags of reproduction wheels and a press to put them on. Can't loose the press, and it has the wheel pressing parts mounted to it. So that means I can't find the wheels.

Friday night I sat down at my work desk to check out a postwar 2023 alco I bought for resale. I have a computer over the desk I watch TV shows on as I work. The ghost has allowed Windows 10 to  update and the new version has no sound.

I put together the Marklin layout wood so I can sort boxes into the underside to get them out of the way.
 

 

 
 

 

 


I can't find the 104 bridges that I was going to use here.  I think I sold them.


 

 


This corner layout will have Lionel O gauge from the late 1920s and early 30s on the bottom and Marklin HO from 1952-63 on the top.
 


Look -- the ghost shows up in the pictures:
 

And here's the other troublemaker:
 






Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: pjdog350 on April 20, 2021, 10:42:09 AM
Looks  like you Are making lots of progress. Lots of cool stuff too!
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on April 26, 2021, 12:24:33 AM
I spent the day in the garage cutting wood for the Marklin and 00 layouts. Then I went downstairs and ran a train.


1929 Lionel outfit 340E going around on the upper layout. Tunnel is a 140. Power station is 840. Cardboard mountains in background are copies of the mountains included in the 199 Scenic Railway cataloged from 1924-28.

That's running at top speed. The motor has oil wicks on both ends of each axel and on both ends of the armature shaft. It's also got a resisitor in the line so it runs slow. That's as fast as it goes.  That motor and frame was in the mohave 318E loco that my dad and I ran at displays. It was modified so we could just let it go and not pay attention to it. I need to clean the brushes so it stops whining. That motor is 93 years old.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: pjdog350 on April 26, 2021, 03:54:08 AM
Very nice. It looks new. I like the trains to run slow. Your layout is coming along real nice. The second time I watched your video I saw a couple more mint hopper cars behind the station. They look mint. You have real nice trains.

Could we get another O gauge movie form under the standard gauge. I’d like to see how that will display after the standard gauge was added. I’m an o gauge lover at heart!!!
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on April 26, 2021, 11:04:53 AM
I still have to vacuum the O gauge layout, and hook up the new transformers. It will get done in the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: pjdog350 on April 26, 2021, 11:46:53 AM
With all the trains you can run at one time your going to have lots of transformers, your light bill will go up allot?
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on April 26, 2021, 04:43:17 PM
I only plan on running one layout at a time. When I did Thom's layout you could run almost 40 trains at once. Too loud to talk, and when there was a problem, it was hard to figure out what it was.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on April 30, 2021, 02:11:38 AM
I am ready to start cutting standard gauge track this weekend. The bridge is built and needs to be fastened down otherwise it's just track laying.

Here's some pictures:

 

view from the stairs.

I made this small almost 4 foot by 10.5 foot layout for Marklin HO on top and Lionel O gauge from 1924-34 on the bottom.  I closed in one end with shelves to make the O guage a lkittle hidden, and  give me a place to put the smaller sets.

 


I made the shelves high enough to hold standard gauge so I can use the area for pictures. I need to get some LED bulbs with better light for photos.

 


Here's some photos of the big O gauge layout now that I've cleaned it.

 
 
 

 

 



Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: pjdog350 on April 30, 2021, 09:55:15 AM
Bottom O gauge picture. It that a 226E steamer?
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on April 30, 2021, 12:10:24 PM
It's a 226E and a 225E in a lash up. The 225E has the coupler on the pilot.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on May 01, 2021, 06:29:53 PM
Here's the first train running on the middle level.


That will live on that loop. It fits perfect on the siding behind the 922 scenic plot:

 


Here's end views showing clearance  to the switches:

 

 


The little red wires are jumpers until I get the blocks wired. Tommorrow I'll do the industrial area.

Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: starfire700 on May 02, 2021, 05:24:03 AM
You have made some great progress.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on May 03, 2021, 12:41:36 AM
Now I'm in the phase where every day shows big results. I finished the bridge and the track around the west side industrial area. I'll add some sidings off the line that goes back to the roundhouse in the future. 


Here's the westside running:


That's my youngest standard gauge train set. I was surprise it ran right out of the box. The lead and trailing wheels on the loco have swelled a bit, but I was able to pull them  off the axles and switch them around so they work.

I also unboxed a bunch of items and put them out and cleaned the shelves under the layout in the walk in aisle so I can put the standard gauge operating trains out. 

I started to do the track around the 840 powerstation, but the roadbed was filthy. I have a few boxes of original Lionel rubber roadbed from the 1930s. A lot of it is just trashed. I picked out enough to do the circle and switch and popped them into the washer:

 

 

 


The laundry room is on the other side of the wall my desk is at. The washer has been banging, clanking  and whirring for a while now. We'll see how it comes out. 
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: pjdog350 on May 03, 2021, 06:45:53 PM
Your Standard gauge is looking great. Very nice. When I was a little kid I was in the hospital. I think the big green one is what they had around the Christmas tree. I was 6 or 7 years old!
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: CNJRR on May 05, 2021, 11:31:54 AM
Terry
Ha Ha Ha, popped them in the washer. :)
My old "young" lady would have a fit if I did that. lol
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on May 05, 2021, 12:01:40 PM
I had to vacuum out the crumbs and then I washed the dog's saddle blankets. The stuff smelled up the garage and basement good, but now I've either gotten used to it, or it's stopped outgassing.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: cndctr111 on May 05, 2021, 02:08:23 PM
Love how the upper layout is coming out. How did you attach the tempered glass? I have a section on my layout that I need some type of border to keep trains from flying off the table, I had one accident already with a Marx 1829, it wasn't pretty.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on May 05, 2021, 08:38:45 PM
I bought 3/16" tempered glass shelving at a store display warehouse. I bought all the peices I could find in the area. All glass seems to be going to construction. 

The white trim board is mounted to a 5/16" plywood spacer. The carpet wraps down leaving a gap slightly smaller than the glass. The carpet compresses. The glass pulls out if I need to get up on the layout.

I also made fencing with dowels which will go between the middle level and tyhe lower mainlines once I get most of the middle houses and such wired. I think I posted pictures earlier of the dowels.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: pjdog350 on May 06, 2021, 05:21:50 AM
More movies and pictures of your standard gauge. Looking great.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on May 12, 2021, 01:20:07 AM
Here's an article I wrote for the local club newsletter:

Providing The Layout With Power

On my standard gauge layout I need lots of power so I have my own power station and run a special coal unit train to provide energy.  We have power to burn.  We also have a windmill so we can water our horses.

 

 

 

 

 

 



This is a 1929 Lionel 318 coal train running around on original period track and rubber roadbed. The train came with the black loco, three hoppers with coal loads and the black roofed red caboose. I added a few more hoppers because they are cheap and neat.

The 840 power station and the 140 sheet brass tunnel are the two biggest Lionel accessories.  The cardboard mountains are copies of original 1925 Lionel backdrops. The tin fence is from the 1930s. The windmill is from a 1950s kit.

There are currently four Lionel 250 Watt Z transformers, and a small 100 watt fixed voltage transformer under this area of the layout.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on May 12, 2021, 02:38:20 AM
Here's 5 trains running at once on the standard gauge layout.


This is the first time I ever ran the American Flyer wide gauge. I bought that set without the stock car from the original owner about 14 years ago. It runs nice.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: pjdog350 on May 12, 2021, 04:46:36 AM
Thanks for sharing your Standard Gauge. You have been busy. They look great. I love the sound of toy trains running on Lionel tube track!
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on May 20, 2021, 12:48:11 PM
I like the noise too. Years ago I cut additional slots into the rails on a layout so it would make even more noise.

I've been working on adding these bridges to the mains:

 


 


The depth of the water wasn't low enough so I had to lower it:

 


 


I have a Dremel Oscillating Cutter which is slow, but worked well and didn't throw too much dust. It did burn a bit so the house smelt like I'd had some cub scouts playing with wood buring kits in the basement.

The ties on the new track are not wide enough to fit on the bridges. I only had American Flyer teis and some were too long so I cut them down:

 


Sincer I had the Dremel out I also started cutting the switches to make the closely spaced yard that will be in front of the turntable:

 


I broke all the shafts I had. The reinforced cutting disks don't break, the little screws that hold them on break.



Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: starfire700 on June 14, 2021, 02:36:58 PM
Impressive to see 5 Standard Gauge trains running, I bet it was noisy! Nice with all the different levels. In one shot, it looks like the layout continues into another room, but is that mirrors?
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on June 14, 2021, 05:01:08 PM
All one room. The loop the camera is on is 18 by 27.5 feet. It's the outside loop of the mains. The loops with the 381 and 1835 sets are about 12 by 12 feet.

I really like the way your track (Jim) winds around and among the accessories, but I want to run long trains with little supervision. With the 00 and Marklin I'll try to do less of an oval layout.



Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: starfire700 on June 16, 2021, 04:33:24 AM
My inside T-Rail main line does have some curves, but has no switches and of course is 072. I can run long double headed or push-pull trains of 20+ cars on this main and have never had a derailment. The outside T-rail main has 3 switches which occasionally cause a derailment, but I have still had great success running long trains on it. Most Marx can not run the outer main because of the switches. My inside lower-level tubular line has regular O-gauge curves on the reverse-loop under the mountain, it feeds the ramp to the upper level. The ramp and upper level loop over the Standard loop are all 072. The upper loop is relatively fool-proof, with the one modern Lionel switch occasionally giving a problem. Prewar runs better as the tinplate flanges are thicker. I only have a problem with postwar as the thinner flanges sometimes "pick-open the switch frog", then the train derails. For the most part I have had very few derailments.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on June 16, 2021, 12:53:02 PM
I have derailments frequently. Most are from clutter on the track. Otherwise the switches are the biggest cause.  I'm checking everything to make the layout as trouble free as possible.

One thing I've learned is to put the loco on the track by the transformer. I don't know how many miles I walked because I put the train on by the 101 bridges and then walked around the layout to the transformers.

Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: starfire700 on June 16, 2021, 05:09:34 PM
Steps are good for your health. Get a Garman or other fitness monitor.
I have 2 control locations to help with this, but I also have a Garman.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: pjdog350 on June 16, 2021, 06:46:29 PM
See - serves you guys right for all that track. That’s not a problem on the West Pasco County S&B RR. Three steps and I’m at the other end of my Rail Road.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on June 16, 2021, 07:24:42 PM
You all should get dogs that like to walk like the ugly poodle. Then you'll get some walking in.

I've been packing eBay sales for 90 minutes while the poodle sits and gives me looks:

 


She doesn't know it yet, but tonight we're going to see the c-h-i-c-k-e-n-s.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: pjdog350 on June 17, 2021, 03:04:26 AM
My Dog Benjamin has his paws full chasing Crows & Squirrels!
Title: track lights
Post by: Terry on June 28, 2021, 12:16:25 AM
I've been putting the track lights in, but it's been difficult because The local Home Depots only have a few parts in each store. Some of them say they have parts online, but don't have them when I get there.

 I need 4 more feet of track and about 15 heads.  I also need to figure out the lights.

Here's some photos:

Without the track lights:

 


Same view with the track lights:

 


The 9 set with three 65 watt bulbs aimed at it:

 


A few shots with the camera flash and the track lights. See the glare on the ceiling?

 

 
 


Here's some shots with the camera flash off:

 

 
This picture shows 65 watt bulbs on the right and two 40 watt bulbs on the left. I can't see  a difference.



These are all LED bulbs so the watts are the equivalence listed on the box. The 65 watt bulbs are 50 cents each. The 40 watt bulbs are $4  each.  I'll try hooking a dimmer into the circuit and see what happens. The 40 watts are the dimmest ones I can find.

I'm sure some of the glare is the low ceiling - only 94 inches. Some might be the ceiling is painted high gloss white like the doors and trim.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: pjdog350 on June 28, 2021, 08:49:50 AM
I like the track lighting you are using. The gloss paint on the ceiling is going to make glare. I think I’m going to look into that to help my garage lighting problems!
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on June 30, 2021, 12:23:48 AM
I think the track lighting with small hoods and small 40 watt bulbs results in the lowest amount of glare.

I've been modifing Lionel switches so they make closer sidings.  I cut the switch machine part off and also cut the straight off at the frog. Then I put the switch machine onto the other side and painted everything.

I think you can never have enough lights on the layout so I made sure the lights work. The switches don't work, but that wouldn't have been much more work.

Here's some photos:

 

 

 


I need to cut track, but it's too late at night to fire up the chop saw in the garage.

I'll put a bunch of freight cars on the sidings.

Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: pjdog350 on June 30, 2021, 06:24:11 AM
Looks great Terry. Looking forward to seeing some standard gauge videos soon.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: starfire700 on July 02, 2021, 11:38:31 AM
Did you put lights under for the O Gauge layout?
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on July 02, 2021, 12:09:07 PM
I put string leds under the layout, but they run on 1.5 volts and don't do much. Those were cheap after christmas sale lights.

The coffee shop the dog and I go to has rope lights from Amazon that will work.

Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: pjdog350 on July 02, 2021, 02:12:02 PM
Be sure to light up the o gauge.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on November 06, 2021, 01:30:20 PM
I haven't done an update in a while and I had people over this morning so the train room is neater.

I got almost all the wood trim up on the layout. The lower trim comes off so I can get to the O gauge wiring.

 


I ran all the different trains around and parked them on their sidings and ran other trains on the same track. The industrial area still has the temporary wiring so the 380 set just went around in circles until it dumped the cars into the river.

 


The 380 has derailed there before, and the 1835E loco pulling the blue/aluminum cars had problems in the same area.  I'll change out the switch and the curve when I put the permanant wire in.

Here's pictures of the town area with the houses and streetlights in. All the exposed bulbs are vintage. I have a bunch of Kenton, Hubley and Arcade cast iron vehicles similar to the few that are already out to put on the roads.

 


 


 


Here's the town view with the lights on. The two bulbs in the 124 station must be at least 100 years old and look FINE.

 


 


 


 


 


 


Cookies from the bakery. There was a box of butter cookies too!

 



Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: CNJRR on November 09, 2021, 04:43:55 PM
They do look tasty. :)
"Neat "looking layout, :) love the old road vehicles you show on the roads.
Car hauler too? How old are they?
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on November 10, 2021, 12:05:10 PM
Most everything on the layout is from the 1920-40 period. The figures are from 1930-50. I have more figures than I can put on the layout so I decided to put shelves on the ends of the layouts for them.

Here's a scrap of wood to see what a shelf would look like.

 


Here's some more Barclays. 

 


The shelf wood went up from $9 to almost $13 for a 1X6 eight feet long since August.  It's MDF particle board, and the glue formula changed too.


Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: CNJRR on November 15, 2021, 04:00:04 PM
I have some of those, probably around 7.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on November 15, 2021, 07:32:15 PM
I'll be selling a bunch of these in the future on eBay. Probably in December as they are unlikely to get damaged in shipping and December is a high da,mage month due to the temp workers.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on November 20, 2021, 05:07:43 PM
I was down in the basement today and I heard a loud snap. Like a .22 rifle. Now I'd heard these pops before, but never could localize them. I'd always be too far away to tell where the noise came from.

Today, I was about 6 feet away and it was real loud. Turns out it's the cast heads on the 440 signal bridges.

This is the one that went today:

 


Looks like it cracked too!

Title: Night time on the Lionel Lines
Post by: Terry on December 01, 2021, 04:29:40 PM
I finally got enough blue bulbs for the ceiling cans. The blue gives the layout a twilight look.

Here's no lights but for the train layout:

 


Here's the same area with blue lights:

 


A few pictures of other areas with the blue lights:

 

 


These are Phillips Party LED bulbs from the Grocery Store. There are 5 on the ceiling in cans.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: starfire700 on December 02, 2021, 10:20:53 AM
Interesting color lighting and about the "pop". We always called these chips pops, but I have never witnessed it happening. Surprised in your dry climate in controlled environment of your house, this would happen. Physics 101, have to ask Sheldon to explain it.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on January 22, 2022, 11:50:17 PM
Here's the Bilt Rite backdrops installed in the corner. I tried to get them scanned and then enlarged, but couldn't find a scanner that could do them. I used green sheets from Life-Like above the backdrop because blue looked too bright, and plain green carpet looked too dark. I think this looks OK

 

 


Here's some shots of the west end of the layout with the trains back on. I need to iron the felt roadway and put some more cars on.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


if you look at the maroon walled 126 station above the blue comet loco, you can see what I did with the box from the backdrop. The figures don't stand on the carpet well so I cut the cardboard to make little platforms at some of the stations. I don't know if it's worth the effort to paint the cardboard.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on February 27, 2022, 02:13:09 PM
Here's a bunch of layout pictures. The standard gauge layout is running well. I have toi add another Z transformer for the lights, and repair a few of teh switches, but the disruptive work is done.

Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on February 27, 2022, 02:19:21 PM
I can only do 12 photos per message so here's some more:

 


I thought this rubber mat would look cheap, but it came out nice. Lemax makes 3 styles of mat so I can do some more when I find more. I'll add a bunch of figures.

 

 

 

 
 
 

 

 

 


Here's a shot of the next layout in the series:

 


I started unpacking last night and was amazed by the quality of the trains.
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on April 02, 2022, 01:08:58 PM
I added a bunch of trees, people and animals, and some clutter to the standard gauge layout.

I added the under shelves for figures, but the one end is near the Marklin layout so I put trains on it.

I ran all the trains on the layout today for visitors except the coal train and the Blue Comet. The 392E and Flyer freight sets ran without problems. The  blue and alum 309 cars ran well. The State set derailed on one switch three times. The  402 and 380 sets each derailed once for no reason. The 9 knocked a bunch of items over that I'd put too close to the track, but otherwise ran well.

Here's some pictures of the current state of affairs:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: CNJRR on September 16, 2022, 04:10:12 PM
Did you spend a lot for the RR signs in the last picture? Marx right?
I use to buy those till everyone thought they were gold, I refuse to finance those sellers. I have not looked for them for a while now.

You said in a post the some figures won't stand in the grass and you used card board.
Another option is to try clear plastic from things you buy in packages. There are different thicknesses some work better then others.
I use them for my O gauge people, where ever they stand on your (dirt, grass, whatever) the color of the dirt or grass makes them blend in nice, you can hardly see them.
And I can move them around the table easy. I don't know how they would work on standard gauge people.

Nice pictures, you do have a bunch of trains! :)
Title: Re: Terry's Standard Gauge Layout
Post by: Terry on September 16, 2022, 07:48:34 PM
I've been putting the Marx signs aside for years to paint them and put numbers on themto show blocks and switches. I think I'll just use colors with slashes on either round for switches and rectangular for blocks rather than numbers because that makes them easier to understand from 15 feet away.

I got some upholstery tacks for use under the trees. The tacks go into the celotex easily and are easy to glue onto the bottom of the trees.

Tacks won't work for figures because the bases are too small.

I'm thinking about shoving pins into the bottoms of the figures and using hot melt glue to hold them. Some have hollow legs. I think I could also bend pins twice and them glue them onto the figures.

The hot melt glue sticks well, but peels off easily without leaving a mark. I have trains that had hot melt glue on them for 35+ years and the paint has been uneffected.