Post by: Terry on May 05, 2020, 10:35:57 PM
You can upload pictures easily with the Attachments and other options tool right under the post box.
I'll go first. . .
Here's a Lionel 33 loco in with the LETTERING REVERSED on both sides. This loco also has a strap headlight. Most black 33 locos have pedestal headlights like the one in the background of the second photo.
I have three of these 6th versions with reverse lettering. Dark green with both sides, Dark grey with one side and this black with both reversed. This version dates from 1918 to 1922/23. (6th Version is Straight frame with 4 die cast wheels, With or Without Reverse, With binding post, With corp plate on end door, stamped stanchions, Strap headlight, Tab couplers.)
Terry
Post by: Terry on July 14, 2020, 09:32:45 PM
No Lionel name on the car, no 16 number either. I don't have this PRR stamp on any other car. My old Greenberg book lists this version so it's not unique. Just a little odd.
Post by: early0electric on August 13, 2020, 02:01:01 PM
Post by: Terry on August 14, 2020, 07:10:14 PM
For the last three weeks I've seen nothing I wanted. I guess I'm going to have to start collecting Carslise and Finch trains if I want to be able to buy trains regularly.
Seriously, I think it will be like this for months, then we'll start to see trains for sale and maybe prices declining But the prices for what we want won't decline because there are still fewer trains than collectors.
Post by: early0electric on August 15, 2020, 04:00:55 PM
Post by: early0electric on September 28, 2020, 02:41:55 PM
Post by: Terry on September 28, 2020, 05:23:35 PM
Neat cars. Loco does not go with those cars and is common. I probably paid too much, but that coach is hard to find, and I need cars to go with the locos I already have.
I bought that from Stout. That's his photo from the listing. I sent a check to save 3% on buyer's fees. They won't pack until it's paid so once the check clears they'll pack it and send me a second invoice for the postage. Sounds weird, but I get Yahoos every week who buy from me on eBay and don't pay. Sometime this week I'll pay the shipping and it will go into the mail.
I also bought this neat train on eBay in a buy it now a while back.
Then a few weeks later I found the matching cars for it in another auction:
You can't see them well in that picture, but they are the early cars with red primer, perforated steps and the platform like the 36 in the picture above. They are in poor shape, but for only $250 for the set I couldn't pass them up.
Post by: starfire700 on September 29, 2020, 04:23:27 AM
Post by: Terry on September 29, 2020, 12:53:52 PM
Post by: early0electric on September 29, 2020, 03:20:19 PM
Post by: Terry on October 01, 2020, 06:04:53 PM
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Here's a few lots of neat standard gauge. Some is repainted, some is original. Someone in the Northeast should go look and bid on it. Of note is the 112 gondola with Pennsylvania on it - I think I have one, but can't find it. A 400E and tender, Pea green 38 that might be original, an olive 42 with strap headlight that is probably repainted and more.
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/catalog/178589_autumn-fine-estates-auction/?terms=lionel
Don Lewis bought some of the trains and sent me the boxcar and gondola. The olive 42 wasn't repainted, it was a late corp. model same color as the common 33 locos. I thought it was repainted and by the time I asked about it, he'd offered it to someone else.
Here's the boxcar which has MFG stamped into floor:
Here's the gondola which has no Lionel markings whatsoever and could be from any period between 1915 and 24.
I still think I have the gondola around somewhere, but might be thinking of the 901 O gauge gondola.
Since this was just cheap stuff, I had Don ship it by Fedex to my PO box using the street address and unit 34. Fedex delivered it and Alice at the Post office signed for it and put it into a locker for me. I had a buyer last week in Ware MA who lost a fedex package off his doorstep to "Porch Pirates" even though he was home because fedex just dropped it on the porch and left. They don't even ring the bell because some sick person might answer.
A few months ago, I bought something else and it came in FEDEX signature required and the driver just left it by the door. The guy in MA now has his packages sent to the nearby Walgreens. I write his phone number on the box and the Walgreens worker calls to let him know they have something for him.
Post by: early0electric on October 07, 2020, 04:44:53 PM
Post by: Terry on October 07, 2020, 08:38:47 PM
You have three of those now?
Do you have a peacock 150? I have two of those.
Maybe we can trade?
Post by: early0electric on October 08, 2020, 09:36:07 AM
Post by: Terry on October 08, 2020, 01:12:55 PM
My answer to the question"What's your favorite train?" is "The next one."
This gives me something to look for.
Post by: early0electric on October 09, 2020, 02:02:48 PM
Post by: Terry on October 09, 2020, 05:05:56 PM
Jim has one of those short 152s listed on eBay right now.
The dark green short body also comes lettered for 158. I've seen two, and Marty also has one.
Here's mine:
Post by: early0electric on October 14, 2020, 02:23:29 PM
Post by: Terry on October 15, 2020, 01:45:52 AM
I got the two cars with perforated steps I bought from Stout last month. I think the cars with perforated steps go with the 34 with the slide on light. Maybe they'd go with a round cab 1910, but I don't have one of those yet.
Here's the the locos.
Back is 34 with slide on light, middle is 34 with pedestal light, front is 33 with block letters and pedestal light. I think that 's the order of manufacture.
Here's the pullmans.
Check out the lack of door handles on the earlier cars. I think the maroon painted door was also made with door handles and 3-hole steps. That car might go between the two cars shown above.
All three 35 pullmans shown have different methods of making the steps. The first perforated steps are individually made and then soldiered to the car floor in the corners. The first type of 3-hole step has two steps as one unit soldiered on to the bottom of the car. You can see a line going across the bottom of the car between the inward edges of the doors. The 18/19/190 and 180 series cars are made this same way. The whole step subassembly becomes the floor of the vestibule.
The second type of 3-hole step is made with a shoulder that is soldiered to the car bottom. You can see that below.
Here's the differences in the observation railings.
The color looks different between the cars, but it's more of a difference in texture. I think this is actually a result of aging.
Note that everything here has crinkle hook couplers. Some the the cars have the couplers off and on again, but they seem correct.
Here's the three block lettered sets on the shelves:
Post by: starfire700 on October 15, 2020, 05:56:18 AM
Also showing my 150's in peacock and mojave. The mojave was alleged to have belonged to Lou Redman, when I bought it about 12 years ago, maybe longer.
Also showing 2 late 152's in different shades of dark gray, one with nickel handrails, other has brass.
Also a 150 with headlight stamped 158.
Post by: starfire700 on October 15, 2020, 06:02:15 AM
Here are the pair with maroon doors and 3-hole steps (would gladly trade for pinhole..... Ha Ha Ha)
Also the version with Observation CAR on the 36, and cars with white plastic in the upper windows.
Post by: Terry on October 15, 2020, 12:42:36 PM
I saw a lot on ebay with the maroon painted door 35/36 cars with a black 0-6-0 33 loco a while back. If you got yours as a set what loco came with them?
I know my set with the soldiered on 3-hole steps came with the block lettered 33, but the other sets didn't come with locos so I'm guessing about them.
I'm torn about the later 35/36 cars. Last year, I sold a boxed set with the dark olive 8 to raise money for the house. Then when I got the other sets onto the shelves, I regretted selling them. Now that I have the room laid out, I'm looking at the later 35/36 sets as taking up valuable shelf space.
Post by: early0electric on October 15, 2020, 01:03:26 PM
Post by: starfire700 on October 16, 2020, 04:43:51 AM
I also have mostly early ones, and consider the later ones as just taking-up shelf space. Although, I wouldn't mind having a real nice maroon set. Likely they would come with a maroon 8.
The Mojave 150 was bought on ebay at least 12 years ago.
Post by: Terry on November 01, 2020, 10:07:54 PM
The motor in the 253 is simple to fix. If the wheels are not decayed or swollen, that will run. If the wheels are bad, change the axles too!
I started repainting trains with whatever spray paint Kmart had that was close to the color I wanted. Kmart was the only store in walking distance. I tried that Charles Woods Collector Color paint, but it is color matched by a blind person. The Kmart paint was cheaper. If the color is wrong, you might as well save a few bucks.
Toward the end when I did restorations for hire, I only used color matched paint I had made at a auto paint store. I think last time I bought paint - about 2009 it was $80 for the blue to match my VW. I buy quarts because I'm young. I have quarts of color matched paint that were made in the late 1970s that are still good. I don't match black or silver, everything else is custom.
I'd suggest that you play with the cheap walmart or home depot spray paint first. Find out if you like repainting trains. The 248 or 250/252 sets with the 529/530 and 629/630 cars are also easy to repaint and go well with the short 4 wheel cars.
Post by: romiin on November 02, 2020, 07:10:11 AM
Post by: Terry on November 02, 2020, 11:47:57 AM
Brian told me about a facebook group that has become mostly people doing repaints. If he checks in maybe he can aim you at them.
Post by: early0electric on November 02, 2020, 02:17:14 PM
Post by: romiin on November 02, 2020, 08:02:46 PM
Post by: Terry on November 02, 2020, 08:47:05 PM
https://www.train99.com/forum/index.php?topic=26.0
Post by: Terry on November 02, 2020, 08:51:56 PM
That transformer will work to run the train, but don't leave it unattended as there is no circuit breaker in it. Check the cord before plugging it in. You use posts BU or AU to run the train. Try BU first and then switch to AU if the train is too slow.
The best small transformer for running one O gauge train is the RW. It's cheap at 30-40, and easy to work. If you buy a transformer on eBay make sure it's guaranteed.
Post by: romiin on November 02, 2020, 09:34:35 PM
Post by: Terry on November 03, 2020, 01:16:29 AM
Post by: starfire700 on November 05, 2020, 03:27:17 AM
Post by: starfire700 on November 08, 2020, 04:59:23 AM
I tend to buy trains now, if I think they would be good in a video. It used to be only a collecting thing, now I like to see everything run.
Post by: early0electric on November 08, 2020, 11:47:53 AM
Post by: early0electric on December 04, 2020, 07:22:47 PM
Post by: Terry on December 04, 2020, 08:19:07 PM
I have a few gray 152s but all have stamped handrails. I also have a gray 153 with no reverse - the holes have paint in them - and stamped handrails.
Post by: Terry on December 07, 2020, 04:19:10 PM
It's a dark gray 153 with stamped nickel handrails and type 5 motor with brush tubes.
I have the same loco in light gray with brass handrails and a type 4 motor with riveted brushes. The light gray one might be a 152 misnumbered as it has no reverse and looks to have never had one.
Here's the two gray 153s side by side:
Here's a top down view to comp[are the colors again.
I know the 153 can be found in gray with wire handrails because there is one shown in the most recent Greenberg book.
Post by: romiin on December 08, 2020, 08:01:54 PM
Post by: starfire700 on December 10, 2020, 04:18:32 AM
Post by: romiin on December 10, 2020, 05:42:41 PM
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Post by: romiin on December 12, 2020, 06:24:18 PM
Post by: murph-7 on December 26, 2020, 05:54:09 PM
Post by: Terry on December 26, 2020, 09:41:18 PM
Here's the two body types:
I shrink the pictures so they are 1200 pixels by 1200 pixels and then drop the quality to lower the number of bytes so it's under the 180KB board requirements. From there, the board will resize the photos so they work well in the slide show and enlarged view.
All the photos I upload are resized so they end up in the same folder using the program I bought to do eBay pictures in 1998. Then when I upload the board or windows10 remembers recently used folders.
When you insert the pictures in the board field, put each image on it's own line with a a blank line between them so they line up vertically.
After a few times it becomes easier.
Post by: early0electric on December 27, 2020, 08:20:18 AM
Post by: Terry on December 27, 2020, 01:10:34 PM
Note both have hand reverse holes but no gold paint on wire handrails. I think these are just normal production, and the color difference might be based on mixing or batches:
I also have an olive 153.
Post by: Terry on December 28, 2020, 03:33:15 PM
Dark green 600 pullman with regular wheels, 600 stacked over LL on end, and no lettering on sides. Looks like there was a gold stripe on one side, but not the other.
I've been looking for a good dark green roof for almost 30 years. Now I can look for two.
Post by: early0electric on December 30, 2020, 09:49:14 AM
Post by: Terry on December 30, 2020, 11:11:30 AM
Last month I bought dark green 158 shell. It should be easier to find the parts for that.
Post by: early0electric on December 30, 2020, 02:06:08 PM
Post by: early0electric on January 12, 2021, 01:42:52 PM
Post by: Terry on January 12, 2021, 04:15:53 PM
This one is from 1912-14. Pedestal headlight, crinkle couplers and two piece reverse unit.
Post by: early0electric on February 02, 2021, 03:35:43 PM
Post by: Terry on February 02, 2021, 04:49:47 PM
Post by: starfire700 on February 03, 2021, 04:16:17 AM
Post by: early0electric on February 03, 2021, 09:14:05 AM
Post by: early0electric on February 03, 2021, 03:34:29 PM
Post by: Terry on February 03, 2021, 09:30:26 PM
Do they match the green 203 tanks? They don't really match the olive 154s.
Here's something new:
Post by: early0electric on February 04, 2021, 02:08:24 PM
Nice thin rim 5 Special!
Post by: Terry on February 04, 2021, 06:46:08 PM
I opened the box and it was double boxed:
That shows the inner box pulled out of the peanuts. The inner box has the receipt taped to it.
Opening the inner box reveals more peanuts:
After pouring some peanuts off, the loco comes out in it's cocoon:
I don't like it when the trains come in wrapped in bubble wrap and teped, but the brown tape they used did make it easy to pull off.
Here's the loco:
They made a little bra for the front end. The paper is actually a thick tissue paper. Nice stuff.
Here it is in all it's glory:
Fantastic packaging. The shipping was not cheap, but they did a great job packing. I've bought expensive items from other auction houses and had them damaged from poor packing. That box would have to be run over or dropped into a lake to damage the train.
It's a thick rim with slide on headlight and wire handle reverse unit from 1912.
Here it is with it's younger brother:
And with it's older brother:
Note that the thin rim loco has different lettering and straight couplers, but otherwise is the same as the 1912 thick rim loco.
Post by: pjdog350 on February 05, 2021, 12:20:10 PM
Post by: early0electric on February 05, 2021, 02:00:26 PM
Post by: Terry on February 05, 2021, 06:05:54 PM
There are some fantastic trains trading hands right now. Don Lewis sent me pictures of this set last night:
Ten years ago I would have been drooling over that. Today, it's not something I want. I never had the loco in the set.
I'll start a new thread with the full set of pictures.
Post by: early0electric on February 05, 2021, 07:08:26 PM
Post by: early0electric on February 15, 2021, 10:39:13 AM
Sorry, I couldn't resist...
Post by: Terry on February 15, 2021, 12:57:57 PM
Post by: starfire700 on February 15, 2021, 02:50:33 PM
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Post by: starfire700 on February 21, 2021, 03:53:10 AM
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Post by: Terry on February 21, 2021, 03:42:53 PM
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Post by: Terry on February 21, 2021, 04:30:28 PM
Post by: romiin on February 22, 2021, 06:21:30 PM
Post by: Terry on March 05, 2021, 09:54:02 PM
This is also a true maroon color. Same color as the 150 or 53 electrics. Mostly these cabooses are either red or a brownish red color.
This caboose has dimples on the trucks for light pickups so is from after 1923.
Post by: early0electric on March 30, 2021, 12:03:19 PM
Post by: Terry on March 30, 2021, 05:02:34 PM
I don't have a gold lettered 822 caboose. I have a gold lettered 801 with the number on the lower right side, but not without the number.
I also don't have an 800 boxcar with the number under the door. I always thought I had one so I never bought one. Maybe I did have one and it got stolen or lost? I don't have one now.
This gives me cheap cars to look for at train meets whenever they start having them again.
Post by: early0electric on March 30, 2021, 10:07:56 PM
Post by: Terry on April 01, 2021, 07:01:11 PM
18 pullman car with straight couplers, perforated steps, "No. 18" and Lionel Lines stamps on ends and "Parlor Car" on sides. This car does not have cut away bolsters or primer.
Here's another 18 pullman that is more typical of the perforated steps cars:
Says " 18 Pullman 18" on sides in block lettering.
I have a combine and observation with 3-hole steps and block lettering. So this new car is out of series.
Here's comparisons of the cars:
The roof on the new car is obviously repainted. Notice the side color is slightly different. The Parlor car is more of a true dark olive while the earlier pullman is more dark green. I think the paint formulation was changed in about 1914 or so. All of my items from before about 1913 and before are the darker more grainy paint.
Neat car. Now I have to find the other cars for the set. I know the observation comes in block letters, perforated steps and no primer, but don't have one.
Post by: Terry on April 29, 2021, 05:51:28 PM
A standard gauge gondola from 1908/09. It had reproduction trucks on it.
Here's what it looks like now that I've put original trucks on it:
The reproduction trucks are lighter and more poorly formed than the originals. Here's a comparison.
I bet you could dip the reproduction truck in acid or lye and make it look much better.
Post by: starfire700 on April 30, 2021, 04:36:35 AM
Post by: Terry on April 30, 2021, 12:09:19 PM
Post by: starfire700 on April 30, 2021, 01:50:48 PM
Paint-matching will always be difficult due to so many reasons, environmental conditions at application, variances by supplier and batch, conditions that the item aged in etc.
And of course early, pre-1935 colors will always be in-exact to match due to the lack of lead in pigments for modern paints.
Post by: early0electric on May 29, 2021, 08:58:04 PM
Post by: starfire700 on May 30, 2021, 09:31:48 AM
After that (1935 to 42) mostly sprayed, except tinplate frames were still dipped.
The best way to confirm is to look at the finish and see orange-peel texture (spraying) or runs and thin/thick areas (dip painting). As you stated dip painting often filled holes in vents and mount holes in accessory bases. Dip painting also made for bubbles or "snotters" on frame ends, which often flaked off. This can be seen on freight car frames as late as the early 1940's.
Post by: early0electric on May 30, 2021, 10:50:52 AM
Post by: pjdog350 on June 09, 2021, 01:51:57 PM
The Chrome on this one is pretty good. I think I'll put this one in the Flying Yankee Jr set.
Post by: Terry on June 17, 2021, 05:35:01 PM
Before opening the boxes, the dog making sure no cats have sneaked in with the mail:
Once she checked some boxes I brought in and freaked out. When I looked there were dead mice in the bottom of the box. That was trains that had been packed away for decades. Twice over the years I've found dead mice in boxes of trains.
But today she didn't alert so I unpacked the box.
Here's the trolley after unboxing:
This is a Dayton Hillclimber trolley. I always been fascinated by these toys, but all the ones I've had over the years were treated badly and not worth keeping. I saw this one on eBay and grabbed it for about $55 postpaid.
Dayton refers to the city it was made in. There were a few different makers in Dayton. Clark and Schieble are the most recognized names.
Hillclimber refers to the mechanism:
There is a big cast iron weight that you get spinning by rolling the trolley on the floor and then picking it up. After a few times to get the weight spinning madly you set the trolley down and away it goes.
This is between 100 and 120 years old, and still manages to run 40 feet across the high nap carpet.
These toys were made as a wide variety of vehicles. The red steam loco is the most common vehicle.
Post by: Terry on June 25, 2021, 10:30:47 PM
It turns out I have the same brown caboose without the corners clipped. Here's the two together.
They are the same, but the one I had doesn't have clipped corners.
These are version D in the Greenberg on page 322, but no brown caboose is listed without clipped corners.
Post by: early0electric on June 26, 2021, 10:19:32 AM
Post by: Terry on June 26, 2021, 01:18:23 PM
Jim has a standard gauge gondola on ebay that I don't have. It has a different data stamp than the two of that color and roadname that I already have. It's neat, but at $160 my mind says I already have a dozen 112 gondolas. If I resist the urge to buy the mid priced variations I can afford good stuff every few months.
Like this:
Post by: early0electric on June 26, 2021, 01:48:00 PM
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Post by: starfire700 on July 13, 2021, 05:25:50 PM
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Post by: Terry on August 05, 2021, 06:57:41 AM
Post by: early0electric on August 05, 2021, 02:17:54 PM
Post by: Terry on August 11, 2021, 12:27:59 AM
In the same tub was this interesting windmill. No markings on it. Not part of a steam engine set because the fan is attached with a screw, not on a shaft. Probably just a cheap German Chirstmas Village toy from the late teens or 1920s. I'm sure I can find some place on the layout for it.
Post by: early0electric on September 27, 2021, 12:06:55 PM
Post by: Terry on September 27, 2021, 05:33:38 PM
Stout had a Lionel trolley in a Butler bros box last week, but I didn't bid because I thought it would sell for more than I could pay. It went for less than I expected, but who knows what the high bidder would have paid.
Jim's been selling some nice stuff on eBay that I don't have, but I have enough dark green locos and orange boxcars. I just saw a red 14 boxcar on ebay. I don't know if two red boxcars are enough.
The good thing about not buying trains is the money piles up and the first one after a drought can be more expensive!
Post by: starfire700 on September 28, 2021, 04:02:35 AM
Thinning-out has made for a more pleasing display, and have to say I am happy with the sales results.
Post by: early0electric on September 28, 2021, 03:59:39 PM
Post by: starfire700 on September 29, 2021, 04:21:01 AM
For me, however the answer to having 2 or more of an item that I can run on my layout is yes.
I like to run unit-trains and double-header power.
Post by: pjdog350 on September 29, 2021, 03:37:47 PM
Post by: starfire700 on September 30, 2021, 04:44:57 AM
Post by: early0electric on October 01, 2021, 05:35:03 PM
Post by: Terry on October 01, 2021, 11:25:23 PM
Post by: early0electric on October 02, 2021, 04:05:33 PM
Post by: Terry on October 12, 2021, 02:56:42 PM
Here's something a bit different --- a Lionel 12 gondola with the number and data stamp on the left:
The interesting car should have brakewheels but they are missing. The car is the same as the one above it, but for the position of the lettering. The number and the data are different stamps. These cars have no Lionel MFG embossing or identifying stamps.
I have another brown Lionel 12 with the MFG embossing in the frame. It's shown below on the lower left:
The MFG embossed gondola has a different number stamp, but the data stamps are the same.
Here's the three brown gondolas:
All the cars have tab couplers. I think these brown cars date from between 1915 to 1918.
Post by: Harold on November 24, 2021, 06:30:09 AM
The tank car is gong to be a King Syrup car and the hopper will be lettered for my own coal and coke co. The cars are not My loco or Mi I scale and thus far I have not been able to identify the maker.
Does anybody else have any of these cars? Would love to see pictures and will post mine when they are complete. I have to paint outside for now and am waiting for some cooperating weather.
Post by: early0electric on November 24, 2021, 11:39:59 AM
Post by: Terry on November 24, 2021, 11:50:39 AM
Those cast metal trains are so neat. I have lots of similarly made trains in 00 scale.
Mike - that's a great looking 152 set.
Since this topic is getting some interest again. . . Here's my 29th 33 loco:
The 30th came a few minutes later:
Post by: early0electric on November 24, 2021, 01:09:11 PM
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Post by: Terry on November 24, 2021, 10:56:08 PM
The red 33 is really cool because the loco was discontinued in 1923 and red was first used for locos in 1929. I made space for both of them in the middle of the wall.
You can do any size pictures as long as the FILE size for each is below 180KB. Windows 10 service pack has tools for converting image sizes.
See this post:
https://www.train99.com/forum/index.php?topic=26.msg106#msg106 (https://www.train99.com/forum/index.php?topic=26.msg106#msg106)
There was a viewer on the board that allowed us to post big picturss and then see them easier, but that doesn't work with the newly updated board. The board updated itself. That's why we have dates agian.
Post by: Harold on November 27, 2021, 04:00:59 PM
Post by: starfire700 on November 29, 2021, 04:09:53 AM
Do you have a high-rail layout?
Post by: pjdog350 on November 29, 2021, 04:42:27 AM
As starfire said if you have a layout I’d love to see it. Maybe even a video?
The Post said your a newbie. welcome Harold!
Post by: Harold on November 29, 2021, 04:19:20 PM
Have not had a real layout in many years but am working on getting a two story garage built. Have an old house and can run trains from room to room to the delight of the cats.
Post by: starfire700 on November 30, 2021, 05:06:39 AM
Most of the other videos are of my Lake Shore Railway layout which is about 2 years old in our current house. There is plenty of action, some on camera car. Development of this layout is also shown here on the Forum under LAYOUTS..... Jim's Layout.
Welcome and hope you enjoy what you see. There is a wealth of info here in the Forum, all you have to do is search for it.
If you have questions, other members will be glad to help.
Jim
Post by: starfire700 on December 01, 2021, 04:48:11 AM
Link to videos of Hole in the Wall and Lake Shore Railway layouts
Post by: early0electric on January 11, 2022, 01:11:10 PM
Post by: Terry on April 12, 2022, 10:06:25 PM
I just got this Lionel # 1 blue trolley:
It ran on the layout about 30 feet then derailed going thru a switch.
I think from about 1912/13 with the same body as the earlier open #2, but in the blue color of the 1 and without the hand reverse. The light was added. Here's the same body as a # 2 from about 1908:
Post by: starfire700 on April 13, 2022, 04:19:33 AM
Post by: early0electric on April 13, 2022, 04:29:29 PM
Post by: starfire700 on April 14, 2022, 05:21:50 PM
Bottom line, during the suit, which I testified as expert witness on behalf of Plastimarx that the tooling had real value, depositions resulted in many copies of parts lists being made. Lawyers, other expert witnesses, companies involved etc all were circulating these parts lists as exhibits. I personally had 2 bankers boxes full that I eventually trashed.
Not sure if this answered your question, but it is what I know about Marx parts lists. There could still be volumes out there.
Post by: early0electric on April 15, 2022, 12:40:38 PM
Post by: starfire700 on April 15, 2022, 06:33:04 PM
Post by: early0electric on May 01, 2022, 08:42:30 AM
First is this 1924 Dealer folder I found at the Wyndham. I've never seen or heard of this one before. It highlights the "NEW" O gauge Locomotives 253, 254, and 256. Shown are all the O Gauge outfits listing the new outfit number and what it replaces. Standard Gauge is on the back with nothing new added.
And then there's the Apple 152 stamped 153 as there is no reverse. Found in the Silver Hall.
I also found a MFG 150 with phantom spoke wheels!
All in all, a very good YORK.
Post by: Terry on May 01, 2022, 12:40:17 PM
That green 153 is neat. That color is wonderful.
I'm green with envy!
By "Phantom Spoke" do you mean like the wheels on the 156 locos with the lines for the spokes by solid?
Post by: early0electric on May 01, 2022, 05:45:38 PM
Post by: Terry on May 01, 2022, 11:04:46 PM
Post by: early0electric on May 02, 2022, 12:16:22 PM
Post by: starfire700 on May 03, 2022, 03:54:07 AM
Post by: early0electric on May 03, 2022, 09:19:32 AM
Post by: Terry on May 03, 2022, 01:48:03 PM
I think those 154s are all light olive just different shades. The pedestal headlight 154 is neat -- I don't have one of those.
Here's some green trains from the twenties and an apple green 253 from the early 1930s for color comparisons:
From the left is a pea green 38 loco, a pea green 801 stock car, apple green with dark green frame 253 loco, a 154 in light olive and a 38 in olive which is the same color as the light olive 154 next to it. Collectors call the apple green color "Stephen Girad Green" when it's used with a dark green contrast.
I got the two lower cars yesterday below:
35 and 36 cars with maroon painted doors and embossed door handles. Those are either the second or third versions from 1912/13. The first version is on the top with different steps, railing and no door handles. I don't know if the door handles can be found on the cars with perforated steps or not. So I don't know if there is a variation between the btwo versions here.
Post by: early0electric on May 03, 2022, 03:51:28 PM
That's the problem, too many different shades that encroached on each other. Even Dark Green has different shades. Lionel didn't care if the paint was exactly the same shade as long as they had paint. They weren't making collectables, they were selling toy trains!
Post by: Terry on May 03, 2022, 05:53:29 PM
Post by: starfire700 on May 04, 2022, 04:43:35 AM
Some are hard to distinguish unless next to each other. The main difference between Apple and Girard is application/patina. Apple is dip-painted, Girard sprayed, Apple also has a slight yellow tint compared to the "cooler" Girard. There also seems to be at least 3 different shades of mid-late 1930's 45N green: dark early and medium and light late colors, all spray-painted.
A 1935 820 Floodlight car can be a real confuser. Many have terra cotta decks overpainted with dark 45N green. The patina on these cars shows dip-paint runs and also orange-peel from the 45N that was sprayed over the terra cotta.
Age and storage conditions also affect the color we see on a train today, so as was said........"anything that gives us an excuse to keep more trains is good".
Post by: Terry on July 20, 2022, 09:08:32 PM
The woman's brother had a Lionel 6220 Switcher set with bell as his first train, and then bought used trains around the neighborhood with his paper route money. Not shown is a really dark - almost black - 318 with two 319 pullmans and a 322 observation in maroon with 100 series trucks, and an olive 8e with matching 337/338 cars. In O gauge there was some early maybe 152 set that only survived as peices of the motor and the bottom half of a 1918 era 820 boxcar. A beat up Blue streak, and an even more beat up gunmetal 238E freight set rounded out the trains.
I also got a bunch of Lionel bungalows, stations, bridges, and streetlight. Everything beat up and rusty. This kid had some cool trains, but treated them harshly and then stored them poorly.
I buy trains like these all the time and they weren't even worth photographing. But check out this pile:
I think the broken streetlight is Marklin - Some neat telegraph poles, some early celluloid animals, the green thing is a tin litho mail box that I like to put between the sets on my display shelves. That's an IVES warning post to let a man on the roof of a car know a bridge or tunnel is near - I can't think of the name right now, but I'll put it on the layout.
Also a Gibbs deluxe gas station, a tin pull crocodile, and some slush cast - maybe Barclay? -- Roadsters and an airplane:
The Gibbs gas station was made by my Grandfather's cousins. I have a small one on the standard gauge layout in the back but every deluxe one I've seen was trashed. So is this one:
Here's the telegraph poles. They have cast iron crossbucks nailed to wood poles. The bases are wood, and look to have been dyed green. Maybe they are Carlisle and Finch?
Post by: Terry on October 06, 2022, 05:37:39 PM
This one is in really nice shape. This is the only item I won in Newton Darby auction.
Post by: early0electric on October 09, 2022, 01:46:03 PM
Post by: early0electric on November 06, 2022, 01:18:52 PM
Post by: starfire700 on November 13, 2022, 03:58:15 AM
Post by: early0electric on November 13, 2022, 12:38:45 PM
Mike
Post by: Terry on November 14, 2022, 06:03:01 PM
The cars are certainly brown. I didn't have brown 600 pullmans before. These have 600 on one end to right of door and no stamps on underside. Here's some brown items with them including a 150 that is just as beat up.
The 150 loco has been cleaned somewhere along the line. The brown 150 was given to me about 30 years ago by a man after I helped him set up his trains. Maybe the two whole cars will clean up?
I grabbed the IVES shell because it has a Dummy headlight and I think I can get my $10 back by listing it on ebay.
Post by: early0electric on November 16, 2022, 04:23:53 PM
Post by: Terry on December 09, 2022, 05:37:52 PM
The two locos have different NYC ovals, and the brown one has a simpler frame and other later features including a LL stamp on the end.
Here's a comparison of the color and the ovals with the brown on top.
Neat.
Unfortunatly someone over the years wrapped this loco in bubble wrap. Check out the roof:
The seller made no mention of this damage, but it's slightly shown in the auction photos. This was cheap enough that I'll keep it, but it's sad when trains get ruined by people with bubble wrap.
mn
Post by: starfire700 on December 12, 2022, 04:03:14 AM
Post by: early0electric on December 13, 2022, 01:54:14 PM
Post by: starfire700 on December 14, 2022, 04:13:44 AM
Post by: early0electric on December 14, 2022, 11:59:20 AM
Post by: Terry on December 14, 2022, 01:46:09 PM
My dad was a chemist and said what was happening was the plasticizer in the bubble wrap reacts to the paint. The plasticizer is the chemical that keeps the plastic pliable.
My biggest peeve is the people who make cocoons with items. They enclose the bubble wrapped bundle in tape. Then I have to cut the tape without cutting the train. Once I managed to cut a finger.
I do paper, then bubble wrap, then kraft paper from a butcher's roll, then it goes into the box- maybe add peanuts or wadded paper if needed.
This year I've had one item broken and one item lost out of about 3000 packages. The broken train was an AF S gauge boxcar that had the sides broken because the box was slammed in a door or had something heavy dropped on it.
Post by: starfire700 on December 15, 2022, 04:41:55 AM
Bottom line is I agree, always wrap an item in tissue or other paper before bubble or other wrap. I use all the above, tissue, newsprint, foam wrap, bubble wrap, air pillows, different types of foam peanuts and corn nuts, even pieces of rigid foam, when I can get it. If these items are used properly, there will be no problem.
The last time I had an item damaged was when we were putting Fragile stickers on every box and shipping everything through the post office. I had 2 items, one was an AF Wide Gauge Electric loco, impaled by a sharp object, destroying the train. All my packing material and internal bracing plus double-boxing, could not prevent this. Our postmaster, at the time, told me employees in the sorting facilities resent seeing fragile stickers and tape and go out of their way to damage such items. Have had no damage since we stopped using Fragile stickers, also shipping 90+% through UPS now.
Post by: Terry on January 26, 2023, 03:05:19 PM
The lower loco in the photo above is the new one. (The upper one has reversed lettering, and since I don't have that loco with regular lettering this is a variation on that point too!)
Here's a photo of the ends showing the two types of plates:
I have a round cab 53 loco with the same nickel plate, and I've seen one other black 38 loco with the nickel plate in the almost 10 years I've been looking for the nickel plates. The round cab 53 was made in 1920 and 21, and has all the same features as these two black 38 locos.
Looking at my list of 38 locos, these are the last black 38 locos. They also made gray locos in this trim/feature variation. If this plate is good for dating, it means all the colors of the 38 except dark olive, black, and gray were made after 1920/21.
Post by: early0electric on February 25, 2023, 12:41:19 PM
First is a 901 PENNSYLVANIA Gondola. BUT... It's Olive!
Also got a nice Upgrade of a Gold Lettered 801 Caboose.
Real happy with both. I've never seen or heard of an Olive 901 PENNSYLVANIA Gondola till now.
They're always grey
Post by: Terry on February 25, 2023, 05:19:34 PM
You have a rare car there Mike. Nice find.
Post by: early0electric on February 26, 2023, 12:20:56 PM
Post by: Terry on April 05, 2023, 10:53:12 PM
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/148026245_lionel-o-gauge-model-train-assortment (https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/148026245_lionel-o-gauge-model-train-assortment)
Thinking there was something good there, I got more photos from the auction house. After looking at the additional photos, I decided I wanted the neat little loco. I took into account the 20% buyer's premium and the $180-240 shipping estimate the auction house gave me, and with a consideration of how much I could get for the unwanted junk in the lot I bid.
My goal was to get the little green loco for less than $1500. (I paid $1650 decades ago for the pea green 38, and have NEVER regretted spending the money.)
I got this big box in the mail:
My freind has been telling me I should do some train videos with me talking because you can make money doing youtube videos. So I had him come obver and I unboxed the lot with the camera rolling.
Here's the video:
Here's the Pea Green 152:
152j1 Pea green, stamped brass handrails and brass tone strap headlight, type 5 motor with brush tubes, black fiber with corp plate. Holes for 153 reverse.
The dark green 152 with brass trim turned out to be an overlooked variation. I wouldn't have bought thisw because of the condition, but since it came with the other one I'll keep it.
152g2 Dark green, stamped brass handrails and brass toine headlight, and type 5 motor with brush tubes, black fiber with corp plate. Holes for 153 reverse.
Mike found the odd green 153 a few month ago and we were curious about the color shades. This pea green 152 engine is a little different shade than the 38, but is almost an exact match for the 821 stock car. That's a very late 821 with slots in the trucks and unpainted door handles.
Here's some color comparison shots of the 152 and other items.
I think I did good.
Post by: early0electric on April 06, 2023, 10:27:23 PM
Post by: Terry on April 07, 2023, 12:35:51 PM
Thanks for saving your money for York. I'll say a wish that you find something good.
The comments on the video seem to be that the 2332 GG1s are worth more than $75 each. The last one I had went for $100. I sold a red brushplate loco for $150 on ebay about a year ago. I can't see why anyone would want a beat up single motor for $100, when they can get a K-line loco with TMCC and two motors new in the box for a few dollars more.
I do have a 2332 with 3 madison cars downstairs, but my grandfather bought the set for my dad in 1949.
Post by: early0electric on April 08, 2023, 01:42:30 PM
Post by: Terry on April 08, 2023, 02:42:17 PM
If I was going to buy other trains, I'd start buying American made live steam locos from 1880-1910. They fascinate me and are relatively cheap.
Or I'd collect Hillclimbers. None of the hillclimbers are worth a grand and there is a wide variety of them.
Post by: early0electric on April 09, 2023, 01:46:13 PM
Post by: early0electric on April 23, 2023, 07:58:55 AM
1915 801 Wabash Clipped Corner Caboose
Wide Frame Late Body 154
Main Prize was this Dark Grey 150
Post by: Terry on April 24, 2023, 04:54:46 PM
The 154 is just a late body 154. The one with the screws parallel to the rails. Or am I missing something. I have 5 early body - 4 dark green and an olive, but only 2 late body ones one each dark green and olive. Maybe they made them for fewer years, or maybe just fewer changes.
The 150 in gray is neat. There's probably just a handful of those around.
Post by: early0electric on April 25, 2023, 09:54:38 AM
Post by: Terry on April 25, 2023, 03:43:42 PM
I bought a bunch o'goodies today from the original owner. Lots 1942 gray items including an 068 warning signal. Some will end up on the layout.
The rush from getting the green 152 is gone so now I'm on the hunt again.
Post by: early0electric on April 26, 2023, 03:24:03 PM
Post by: Terry on June 29, 2023, 05:20:43 PM
Oddly this has painted couplers, and the doors are painted on the pebble stock from the bridge bases.
Nothing really exciting, but still fun to get.
Post by: early0electric on June 30, 2023, 10:03:08 AM
Post by: Terry on July 13, 2023, 04:40:49 PM
It doesn't look like much, but it's a factory error:
It has two light hoods, and one has been drilled out for a binding post. I have a dark loive 33 with two strap light hoods and NO binding post, and the very end of the line 33 locos come without a binding post, but with the hole.
The wiring is all original so the post was installed at the factory. I have other locos that may have come from the factory without binding posts, but were "repaired" by collectors over the years.
This is not as neat as a 1910 round cab or a dark blue 33 -the two locos I know I'm missing, but still a fun buy. Much cheaper too!
I have one other black 33 with a strap headlight. It's got the lettering reversed on both sides and a corp plate on the end.
Terry
Post by: early0electric on July 15, 2023, 08:40:40 AM
The first post under "Recent Additions" was yours and also a Black reverse lettered 33! So you have 33, 33'S?
Mike
Post by: Terry on July 15, 2023, 08:36:09 PM
I've bought at least six 33 locos in the 3 years since May 2020. Now I have thirty-three different variations.
I offered Mark Boyd an in depth article about them, but he says the TCA members aren't interested. I'm going to write a book about the 33 locos. I have all but 3 known variations - dark blue, 1910 round cab, and red no cream stripes. I know people with the blue and red locos, but not with the 1910 round cab. I'll start on the book next year.
Post by: starfire700 on July 26, 2023, 12:27:15 PM
Post by: early0electric on July 27, 2023, 08:34:56 AM
Post by: early0electric on August 03, 2023, 12:50:31 PM
Original Lionel Racing Automobile Outfit Instruction Sheet. Never seen one before!
Lionel's 1st "short" loco Outfit 160 with dark green 150 and matching 600 Pullmans.
This dates to late 1917 - early 1918. The 1st Outfit 160's had the "long body" 150. Same size as the 700.
Found and bought off eBay. I contacted the seller and learned these were purchased from an estate sale.
Good Stuff is still out there!
Post by: Terry on August 04, 2023, 05:40:17 AM
I haven't bought anything in a while. I upgraded a boxcar, but nothing interesting.
Post by: early0electric on August 04, 2023, 07:35:26 AM
Post by: Terry on October 07, 2023, 05:48:02 PM
The yellow loco is a MTH and the Marx locos are common. Maybe $150 back for them
The Lionel 249E is in great shape, and the tender is cleaner. It's a 1939 era loco that came with low coupler 2651 series cars or maybe the 2717 litho cars in an uncataloged set. Easily worth $125.
Here's the 706:
The camera really picks up the dirt. The lettering is quite nice though. If the other items sell for what I expect, I'll have $375 into it. A fantastic price. I'm happy.
Here's the auction:
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/158630882_train-engine-lot (https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/158630882_train-engine-lot)
The set was well packed, and they followed my instructiuon to wrap the loco so it was not in contact with bubble wrap. It took me a month to get this set! It was worth waiting for.
Post by: early0electric on October 07, 2023, 09:40:35 PM
Post by: early0electric on October 22, 2023, 12:29:08 PM
First is a 150 in Olive. No surprise as I knew it was being brought for me. Still, great piece and glad to have it.
Now THIS is my YORK find! It's a 153 with gold handrails and no reverse. It couldn't have a reverse as there is no hole punched in either end for the reverse rod to come through! So I guess it's a 152 stamped 153. Also the NEW YORK CENTRAL LINES printing is double stamped on the one side.
Post by: Terry on October 23, 2023, 01:54:20 PM
The 153 is neat too. I have a 153 in gray that has no hand reverse as the holes have paint in them. I think it's a 152 with the wrong number on the side.
Great Finds. It's sad to go all the way to a train meet and only bring back a few items, but you get to socialize and the items are special. I'm always dumbstruck when people show me the milk car they got at York.
Post by: early0electric on October 25, 2023, 07:52:17 AM
Sometimes I think it's crazy to spend all that money to go to YORK and come home with so little. But there's no train meets here in the area. I suppose I could save the money and just buy at auction but the early O stuff I collect just doesn't show up. So I go and treat it as a vacation and a chance to get together with friends and hope for the best train-wise.
Post by: Terry on October 27, 2023, 02:41:59 AM
It seems like the online auctions go in waves. Maybe that's a good thing as it allows for the saving of money to buy better items.
I talked with a guy a few weeks ago with a mid-teens Lionel passenger set, and asked what else he had. He texted me photos of the control board. I spotted the gem below and told him it was a shame it was repainted because otherwise I'd buy it. He said he didn't want to throw it out because it's so old, so he sent it to me as a gift.
Packed it was 11 pounds.
It's a slate top transformer. I think Type K from 1914-18 or so. There should be a decal on the top under the control lever. Neat.
Post by: early0electric on October 28, 2023, 07:50:04 AM
The 106
Type K
Post by: Terry on October 28, 2023, 02:59:07 PM
I bought this today:
Gordon Wilson and I play a game to see who can find the rarest train at each train meet. This little bin would surely have won if Gordon had made it to the meet.
It's a 160 bin that was packed with a 3659 dump car in 1947 because Lionel had no bakalite bins. It's actually an unfinished tray from a dump car. It's the 2nd I've had and maybe the 5th I've seen.
Paul W~~ and I used to play Most interesting item found in the bottom of the box. This tray would be a good story, but not in my top three finds.
Post by: starfire700 on November 05, 2023, 03:01:41 AM
Post by: Terry on November 13, 2023, 01:51:56 PM
I bought a Ferdinand Strauss Twin Trolleys set at a show on Sunday. The seller had some wonderful English 1 gauge live steam from the 1920s that I find very tempting. Then he put out this much cheaper set which I immediately bought.
Each is about 7 inches long. Only the one with the pole has a motor which is a windup. From searching online, the dummy with the center doors might be a little harder to find as most sets have two of the end door type.
These aren't hard to find.
I think these are from the 1920s, but could be from the late teens. Louis Marx and Henry Katz both got their start working for Strauss. Marx supposedly took over The Ferdinand Strauss Corp in 1927. So these are historical relics too.
Post by: Terry on December 15, 2023, 06:15:25 PM
The car on the left is my 800a2 Wabash 6399, orange sides, CLIPPED brown roof, type 2 stamping on both ends, wide wheels.
The new car only has lettering on one end. Might be an error as all my cars have stamping on both ends up to the green 800e. Or maybe I should say all cars with type one and type two stamps have lettering on both ends.
Stamp types:
Type 1 No. 800 on right, LL on left.
Type 2 LL on right, No. 800 on left.
Type 3 LL on right, 800 on left. – Some have corp stamps on bottoms.
Post by: early0electric on December 16, 2023, 08:30:38 AM
Probably not an error as I have a couple.
Happy Holidays to all! Stay Safe!
Post by: Terry on March 13, 2024, 05:29:19 PM
The loco came with 180/181/182 cars. It was a mixed set. Early sets have Pullman, later sets have Parlor Car. The new set has Parlor Car on the combine and Pullman on the coach. I have the same cars in matching sets so I probably won't keep the cars.
I also got from the same seller this 16 hopper with just the top face of the beam painted black. All my other hoppers either have the entire beam painted a contrasting color, or left the same color as the body.
Post by: early0electric on March 14, 2024, 02:16:48 PM