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General Discussion / Re: Recent Additions

« Last post by Terry on December 15, 2023, 06:15:25 PM »

Here's a new 800 Boxcar (on the right):

 

 

The car on the left is my 800a2 Wabash 6399, orange sides, CLIPPED brown roof, type 2 stamping on both ends, wide wheels.

The new car only has lettering on one end. Might be an error as all my cars have stamping on both ends up to the green 800e. Or maybe I should say all cars with type one and type two stamps have lettering on both ends.

Stamp types:

Type 1 No. 800 on right, LL on left.
Type 2 LL on right, No. 800 on left.
Type 3 LL on right, 800 on left. – Some have corp stamps on bottoms.

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Layouts / Re: Terry's Layout

« Last post by Terry on December 03, 2023, 07:24:47 PM »

I got another 2353 AA set last week and added the two pullman cars to the layout. The single loco wouldn't pull the eight cars, so I cleaned the new 2353P and locked it in reverse. Now I have two double motored A units pulling 8 cars.

Yesterday a freind gave me a newer Lionel Santa Fe Hudson. It's like a 773 with short tender and no added piping.  I had four scale length Lionel Pullman cars from a deal earlier this year. They don't have roadnames so they can run with any loco. Makes for a nice set.

Here's a video of them running under the blue lights:

Both sets are running on full power.

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Collector Corner / Re: Odd 1963 Boxed Lionel 3662 Milk Car set

« Last post by starfire700 on November 29, 2023, 04:32:44 PM »

Good call that the odd boxed set is from Madison as it is more likely they would have the 1930's to 40's set box labels on hand in 1963 than Lionel would still have them.

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General Discussion / Re: Recent Additions

« Last post by Terry on November 13, 2023, 01:51:56 PM »

Jim - Thanks for the input on the steel 160 bin.

I bought a Ferdinand Strauss Twin Trolleys set at a show on Sunday. The seller had some wonderful English 1 gauge live steam from the 1920s that I find very tempting. Then he put out this much cheaper set which I immediately bought.

 

 

 

Each is about 7 inches long. Only the one with the pole has a motor which is a windup. From searching online, the dummy with the center doors might be a little harder to find as most sets have two of the end door type.

These aren't hard to find.

I think these are from the 1920s, but could be from the late teens. Louis Marx and Henry Katz both got their start working for Strauss. Marx supposedly took over The Ferdinand Strauss Corp in 1927. So these are historical relics too.

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Collector Corner / Re: Odd 1963 Boxed Lionel 3662 Milk Car set

« Last post by Terry on November 11, 2023, 09:00:49 PM »

Stout Auctions sold a similar car and envelope to the odd set, but with a plain white box in January 2020. The plain white box with rubber stamped number appears similar to the glossy orange box used on the 1964 and later cars, but without the printing. The comparison set in my earlier post is a 1950s set in a classic box.

Here's pictures:

 

 

 

Auction can be seen at:

https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/mint-unrun-lionel-postwar-3662-milk-car-and-stand-1089-c-ae248f2bec?objectID=145562008&algIndex=archive_prod&queryID=c560364994d5d3c9adb22a069d2b6754

I found three of the white box sets sold in the last few years. I also found one of the odd boxed sets that sold in August 2023, but without the box inserts and the box had writing on it.

For completness sake, here's a milk car set from the mid 1960s in a glossy orange box. The car platfom and envelope should be the same as the components of the odd boxed set that started this thread.

 

 

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Collector Corner / Re: Odd 1963 Boxed Lionel 3662 Milk Car set

« Last post by early0electric on November 11, 2023, 01:12:26 PM »

Interesting comparison.

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Collector Corner / Re: Odd 1963 Boxed Lionel 3662 Milk Car set

« Last post by Terry on November 10, 2023, 09:59:30 PM »

Here's a quick comparison of the odd set with a regular set.

A few quick differences stand out other than the packaging:

• The car in the odd set has no build date and plastic trucks.
• Regular set platform has Lionel information stamped into the metal on the underside. The platform in the odd set does not. 
• The regular parts envelope was stapled shut, has a different font and specifies 3662 car. Odd envelope specifies 3662-70 car, and was glued shut. (I'm not sure staple was put in at factory, we'd have to check some other milk cars.)

 

Here's some comparison photos:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I remember an article about this odd box. Maybe in Classic Toy Trains or in The Atlantic Division Express. That was a while ago and all I remember is the look of the box and maybe it was Madison Hardware.

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Collector Corner / Odd 1963 Boxed Lionel 3662 Milk Car set

« Last post by Terry on November 10, 2023, 09:47:33 PM »

I got this interesting milk car set the other day. Box is different and has prewar or early postwar label. The car and platform are brand new and unused. The parts envelope is sealed. The outer box is clean.

It's sad no one ever got to play with this fun car, but the condition makes it easier to understand.

Here's an unboxing of the set:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think this set was put togther by Madison Hardware in late 1963. The box was made in Brooklyn in September 1963. 

I think I have the cardboard peices and the parts in the box correctly. Nothing would be damaged with it packed this way, and the cardboard has marks from the staples and the car rubbing against it.

I'll add a reply with comparison photos to regular car set.

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General Discussion / Re: Recent Additions

« Last post by starfire700 on November 05, 2023, 03:01:41 AM »

Lionel originally stamped the 3659 bins from steel, but found they were too heavy for the solenoid to tip with a load. They switched to aluminum to solve the problem and used the surplus steel bins as 106 accessory bins.

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General Discussion / Re: Recent Additions

« Last post by Terry on October 28, 2023, 02:59:07 PM »

That's neat. The TCA blue covered book shows a type F on page 219. It has a similar top to mine, or the 106 in your catalog segment. The F is not listed as cataloged until 1931 so that might be an error.

I bought this today:

 

 

 

Gordon Wilson and I play a game to see who can find the rarest train at each train meet.  This little bin would surely have won if Gordon had made it to the meet.

It's a 160 bin that was packed with a 3659 dump car in 1947 because Lionel had no bakalite bins. It's actually an unfinished tray from a dump car. It's the 2nd I've had and maybe the 5th I've seen.

Paul W~~ and I used to play Most interesting item found in the bottom of the box.  This tray would be a good story, but not in my top three finds.